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I have a 89 Supra GE. I want to do my cometic headgasket with ARP studs.

So far, I've installed a new radiator, waterpump, timing belt with tensioner, thermostat, and drive belts. All genuine Toyota Parts.


I'm currently collecting for a NA-T conversion. So far I have the following items:

GTE Intake Manifold
Throttle body with TPS
Valve Covers
Coil Packs with wires
Intercooler
3" Downpipe
GTE Fan Clutch
Oil Filter housing
1990 Turbo Harness and ECU
Exhaust Manifold
CT-26
3000 Pipe
440 Injectors
Fuel Rail
Cold Start Injector
Stock BOV



Can anybody provide me with a complete list of EVERYTHING I need? I looked at teh FAQ in the NA Section and its not telling me awhole lot. I want to change everything over sensors and all. I want to keep everything OEM as possible.
 

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Straight from the NA-T Sticky. If you need more info than this you're going to need to be very specific with your questions as this HUGE written piece of information is rather complete.

Originally Posted by 4cefed.com said:
This is my attempt to provide all the info you should need to drop a 7M-GTE into your NA MKIII Supra. Read it all before asking questions, this page should answer most of them.

Toyota was fairly nice when they built the MKIII- there are very few differences between the NA and turbo variants. The differences are (other than the obvious turbo/IC associated parts):

lower compression pistons (NA- 9.2:1 vs. turbo- 8.4:1)
piston oil squirters
oil cooler
transmission (NA- W58 vs. turbo- R154)
clutch setup (flywheel, pressure plate, release setup, slave cylinder, slave cylinder softline), ironically the clutch discs are the same...
driveshaft
differential ratio (NA- 4.30, may be LSD vs. turbo- 3.91 (<'88) or 3.73 ('89+) LSD)
10 blade cooling fan
different tachometer driver board

That's it. No other differences in the chassis, drivetrain or brakes. Pretty cool, huh?

NOTE: '86.5 cars are considered the SAME as '87 - '88 cars for conversion purposes. My car is an early model year '87, effectively the same as an '86.5 and I had no problems. '89 cars are a problem- '89 was a transitional year. Early '89s have a lot in common with the <'88 cars as far as wiring is concerned, later '89s have more in common with '90+ cars.

Here is a fairly complete list of stuff you will need, approximate prices are included after each item:

7M-GTE long block- intake manifold, exhaust manifold, turbo, sensors, etc. ($950 from Soko)

CPS (cam position sensor, may be included w/long block, $50 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

Coil Pack (may be included w/long block, $75 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

Ignitor ($50 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

Engine Wiring Harness- must be from same year as your vehicle (either '87-'88, '89 or '90+) drivetrain doesn't matter ($150 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

ECU- must be from same year as your vehicle (either '87-'88 or '89+) and same drivetrain (auto or manual, $150 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

AFM ($70 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

Accordian Hose (AFM to turbo inlet) your best bet is to pick one up from a toyota dealer. Jay Marks has 'em for $30 or so.

HAC (High Altitude Compensation) sensor->only needed for '87-'88 models, is inside the ECU on '89+ ($20 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)
Downpipe (pipe from turbo elbow to first cat, $50 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

Oil Cooler ($30 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

Oil Cooler piping (you can just run hose to it or better yet, get some stainless braid; $10 for hose)

Intercooler- make sure the piping and the intercooler are from the same year as your car. '88 (and maybe others) is different from other years ($100 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

Intercooler piping ($150 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

Oil cooler and Intercooler brackets- there are holes already in the chassis, they bolt right up.

PCV/ISC hard and soft lines- may be included w/long block, $25 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay

Power Steering Reservoir and lines- its different on the 7M-GTE, it mounts near the thermostat, $25 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay
Stock "Blow off valve" (really a bypass valve..) (may be included w/long block, $30 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay)

Throttle linkage (the thing sitting on the cam covers, throttle cable and cruise control actutor connect to it), it's different on the 7M-GTE. $25 from The Parts Trader, a junk yard or ebay

Throttle body connections, JDM TB connections are different (different throttle cable routing). You can either swap just the connections off the TB or the whole TB with a USDM one.

All total you should budget at least $2,000 to cover everything seen above and all the many misc. pieces that you will end up buying along the way.
Here are my recomendations of things to change during your conversion:

Clutch- the stock NA clutch will last about 3 weeks at elevated boost levels (ask me, I know). Your best bet is to replace it while you have it out. Stay away from Centerforce, as I have yet to hear a good thing about them. The RPS stage 3 (turbo carbon claw) didn't work for me either. I have had good results with my Clutch Masters Stage IV, but beware, it has very harsh engagement.

Head Gasket- its quite easy to swap out the head gasket w/the motor out of the car. you might want to think about getting a metal head gasket if you are going for big power, just remember to get the head and block refinished otherwise the metal gasket will not seal.

Timing Belt- this one kind of goes along w/the head gasket, its much easier to do w/the motor out of the car and its required every 60k miles so you might as well save yourself the trouble later.

Seals- you might as well replace the front and rear main seals, cam seals and oil pump shaft seal along with any other gaskets you feel like changing.
Water Pump- while I have yet to hear of a 7M water pump dying, you might as well swap it out.

Now for some notes: the swap is straight forward, pull out the NA engine (I recommend pulling the engine and the trans together, its much easier, unplug the engine wiring harness from the ECU and pull it through the firewall), remove the flywheel/flexplate from the NA engine and install it on the turbo engine (along with the clutch, etc.), swap over the transmission, drop in the turbo engine, remove the NA ECU (its above the glove compartment), put in the turbo ECU, remove NA ignitor, install the turbo ignitor, remove the NA AFM, install the turbo AFM, install the downpipe to the turbo elbow, the down pipe should mate up to the stock NA catalytic converter though i wouldn't recomend using the stock NA exhaust as it is way too restrictive, install the intercooler and oil cooler and respective piping, fire it up!
As far as transmission choices, you can reuse whatever trans your NA had. The W58 (NA 5 speed) will bolt up to the 7M-GTE w/no problems (just use the NA flywheel/clutch assembly). The NA auto trans is basically the same as the turbo auto trans, just some subtle differences in the clutch packs, etc. to hold the extra power. If you do have an auto trans you might want to think about rebuilding it or replacing it w/a 5 speed as it will hold only about 300rwhp. The W58 should hold upwards of 400rwhp and the sky is the limit w/the R154.

If you do decide to switch over to the R154 (from the W58, for auto to manual conversion go here), you will need a few things:
R154 transmission
R154 flywheel
R154 clutch disc
R154 pressure plate
R154 throw out bearing
R154 clutch fork
R154 slave cylinder and soft line
R154 drive shaft (its a bit shorter than the W58 one with different input splines)
R154 engine to transmission support "wings"
R154 flywheel inspection cover
R154 transmission crossmember

Caveats:
the NA tach does not work with the turbo engine->the difference is in the ignition systems (distributor vs. CPS and coil pack). In order to make the NA tach work with the turbo engine you have to change some resistances in the tach PCB itself. I figured out the rewire for the NA tach, see it here.
There are some weird year to year differences in the chassis: <'88 seems to be all the same, '90+ seems to be all the same, '89 is the problem year. From my experience, '89 was a transitional year: the chassis wiring is like the <'88, but they use some newer style plugs here and there AND they use the '89+ ECU. Be careful when you are doing the swap on an '89 or buying parts: treat '89 as its own special year.

AND....

7M-GE to GE/T Conversion By Bryson Kriz said:
1.1 Introduction:

My car started its life as a Naturally Aspirated MA70 Supra, with modest modifications. After researching possible ways to find power in the 7M engine, not many options were out there for the GE trim. With most of the basic bolt on’s, it was a fairly quick car, but still lacked power to keep up to newer and modified sports cars. Aggressive camshafts, headwork, and possibly some sort of injection would be needed to achieve this. After looking into it more, not many options were available that still kept my car a semi-daily driver. At the end of Fall 2002, my car’s temperature gauge started to rise and what not. After developing various problems (later on I discovered that my distributor was on its way out), I parked the car for the winter and started gathering parts to do a conversion. A headgasket and clutch later, I managed to produce a car that I can drive everyday and still put down over 325 horsepower at the crank with basic modifications. When you hear about someone converting their car from an N/A to a Turbo, there are a few different ways to approach this:

1. 7M-GE to 7M-GTE Engine swap – Involves swapping the entire engine with wiring harness, ECU, transmission occasionally, and other various parts into the GE body. Very common trend due to ease of swap, lack of custom fabrication, and costs. Recommend to users with low/moderate knowledge of the 7M engine and slightly higher knowledge of mechanics in general.

2. 7M-GE to 7M-GE/T with GTE electronics – This is what my project involves. Keeping the GE head and block, I transferred over all of the mechanical and electronic portions of the GTE. End product is basically a GTE with the GE block/head, resulting in higher compression. More customization can be done this way (oil lines, filter, cooler, piping, compression, etc) but involves more fabrication of parts and a much higher price tag. Recommended to users with moderate/high knowledge of 7M engine , slightly higher knowledge of mechanics in general, and a higher knowledge of custom fabrication.

3. 7M-GE to 7M-GE/T with GE electronics – This is the most cost effective setup out there for N/A drivers, though I do not recommend it. This involves transferring the mechanical parts such as the turbo and intercooler to the GE engine while keeping the electronics (AFM, Distributor, Injectors, ECU, etc) in place. It can be done with a relatively low knowledge of mechanics and the 7M engine, but do not expect this setup to last long. Without extensive tuning and fuel management, the idea of a daily driver is thrown out the window. Only recommended for the serious user (if so, you should not even be reading this :p ) or someone who likes to experiment (aka blow up) with engines. Minimal price tag in the short term, larger price tag in the long term.

After studying each option, I chose the 2nd choice due to the fact it was one of the most sensible options next to an entire engine swap, and gave me a bit more flexibility in this project, and mostly, something unique.

1.2 Gathering Parts

This can either turn out to be one of the most time consuming, or quickest parts of the project. The best is to find a 7M-GTE that’s developing BHG (Blown Head Gasket), or has some sort of damage to the rear end. Either way, don’t start with a car that has 200k miles on it and has failing parts. Each of these options gives you a relatively good engine with minimal damage for a low price. You may think the initial price of buying a parts car is too high, but after tracking down all the parts individually, it adds up. If you can’t find a parts car, look for parts that come from a reputable source. Someone claiming a great CT-26 turbo with fast and furious stickers on E-Bay with a zero feedback rating is probably something you should stay away from. Now is a good time to think about some of the possible goals for the car. 550cc injectors could be bought at this point to save yourself from finding used 440cc stock turbo injectors and so on. Due to the price tag of these aftermarket parts and the current price tag of the project, this might not be realistic. I started out with 440cc / stock AFM / stock intercooler with my project, due to a lack of funds at the time.

1.3 Parts list from the GTE engine

Here is a list of the parts you need to locate off of a 7M-GTE engine. Try and stick to the same year (87-88/89-92) for your parts. Some things such as the wiring harness and ECU need to be the same year/model to work as well. Safest way to avoid complications is just to find the same year parts for the major electronic pieces. Items with a year in front of them indicate these types of parts. 1989 is the year used for example:

· 1989 GTE 5spd ECU

· 1989 GTE 5spd Wiring Harness

· GTE CPS (cam position sensor)

· GTE Coil Pack

· GTE Igniter

· GTE AFM

· CT-26 Stock Turbo

· CT-26 O2 Housing/elbow

· Downpipe / exhaust system

· Oil Cooler

· Oil Cooler piping

· Intercooler

· Intercooler piping

· GTE Exhaust Manifold

· GTE O2 sensor

· GTE Fuel Pressure Relay

· GTE Boost pressure sensor

· (6) GTE 440cc injectors (1989 7M-GE fuel rail)

· BOV (blow off valve)

· Various Hoses/Clamps

· Oil filter housing

· GTE Tachometer electronics

1.4 Various parts list

After gathering the parts from the GTE engine, there are a few other various parts you should gather to save you complications for the long run. I will go into greater detail later.

· Toyota Thermostat

· W-58(N/A) or R154(Turbo) upgraded clutch

· Aftermarket or Resurfaced Flywheel (W-58 or R154)

· ARP Head Bolts

· Toyota Head Gasket or better

· Toyota intake / exhaust manifold gaskets for the GTE (depending on application)

· Toyota rubber coolant hoses

1.5 7M-GE Engine dismantle

With the parts in hand, you can finally park your Supra to go under the knife. Remove all the electronics on the car that have some sort of connection to the wiring harness. Other electronics already hooked into the body of the car (such as the windshield wiper motor etc) will work regardless. The wiring harness extends over through the firewall on the passengers side of the vehicle. Make sure you disconnect/remove the battery before attempting all of this. Removing the glove box allows easy access to the GE ECU. Remove various intake and exhaust components to view the naked head and block. Remove head for resurfacing and remove transmission for upgrade (R154 turbo transmission) or replacing the GE clutch. The head gasket will not last very long under boost conditions, along with the GE clutch. Learn from my mistakes and replace both during the dismantle process. Personally, if you are aiming under 400-450 RWTQ, the W-58 (N/A) transmission should be fine. Keep all of the bolts and various parts together, as you will never know when you might need them again. Replacing various coolant hoses and replacing the thermostat at the same time would be a wise decision. As always, clean all of the parts thoroughly, such as the radiator. Years of driving accumulates large amounts of dirt, leaves, and other foreign objects on the front of the radiator resulting in cooling problems.

1.6 Head and Block preparations

To start off, i'll give you a brief history of my prior experience with the 7M motor with higher compression under forced induction. With ARP head bolts torqued to 72 foot-pounds, and a brand new OEM Toyota Headgasket (some say redesigned, i would be skeptical about that) I believed the way to prevent headgaskets blowing would be to control detonation. So with enough fuel in hand, I went the route of the stock headgasket. The Head was milled by a local machine shop 6 thousandths of an inch, and the block was cleaned. By that, I mean that I removed all the old gasket material on the block. Within 1000 KM, my headgasket was blown again, with deformation around the intake side of the gasket even worse than prior. With further research, I came to a conclusion that even though I did control detonation, that the way the 7M motor is designed, specifically the different expanding and contracting rates of the aluminum head against the cast iron block, along with the design regarding cooling passages on the OEM headgaskets, that a inferior product such as the OEM headgasket cannot last under these boosted situations. Some have used the OEM headgasket with proper torque with success, but under a high compression application, I would suggest against it.

With my 2nd headgasket blown, and knowing I was just getting started at 300 horsepower, I soon realized that the OEM gasket would not be the way to go. By taking the head into a local machine shop again, this time shaving 5 thousandths of an inch off, the head was ready to be installed. But having some time on my hands, I purchased new valve stem seals, and replaced my old ones accordingly. If your engine has a lot of wear, or if you are slightly smoking oil out of your exhaust, I would suggest to change these as doing it with the head on is much more difficult. I also received a five angle valve job with reground valves at this time, for better airflow. On the 7M motor, they come stock with a somewhat three angle valve job, which is much better than most stock engines. For the average supra owner, if you are tight on cash, I would advise against this modification, unless you can do it yourself or a reputable shop will do this job for cheap.

When going for “more-than-stock” power, there is no substitute for a properly installed Metal Headgasket. A few companies make these gaskets for the 7M, specifically GReddy and HKS. These headgaskets are of a much better design, regarding cooling passages, and come in various thicknesses. Unless you are confident with your judgment, order your headgasket after all of the block and headwork has been done. That way, you can select the right size to normalize or decrease your compression ratio. Remember, the higher the compression ratio, the more prone you are to detonation and pinging when running positive manifold pressure. Don’t expect to run 20psi on N/A compression and dodge extreme detonation.

For the block work, inspect the block for major crevasses in the block, paying close attention to the firerings around the cylinders, and damage around coolant passages. If it looks like the block is in decent shape, you can follow Reg Riemer’s guide to lapping your block at http://www.supras.com/pub/SONIC/MA70/HKSMETALHGv5.txt , where you will find a more in depth guide to metal head gaskets, and their installation into the 7M.
1.7 Engine Assembly

Assuming you have gathered all of your necessary parts and did the required work to your engine, you are now ready to start to reassemble your motor. After installing the head, disregard any manuals regarding the 7M-GE motor, especially regarding the electronics. From now on, you will need to refer to 7M-GTE manuals for help. Things that change would be the replacement of the distributor with the cam position sensor, new addition of a coil pack, addition of the igniter, replacement of the 7M-GE AFM with the 7M-GTE AFM (housing and electronics), addition of the fuel pressure relay, and replacement of injectors. Don’t forget as well, you will need to swap over the 7M-GE tach circuit board to the 7M-GTE circuit board. From now on, things are pretty standard and self-explanatory. With your ECU and wiring harness in place, you can plug in various sensors and electronics. When installing new sensors or electronics, such as the igniter, it works best if you place the item close to the stock location on the 7M-GTE, due to the length of wire from the wiring harness. There are a few sensor connectors you can disregard that are on the GTE wiring harness, such as VSV’s on the intake side, and auxiliary fan sensors on the water jacket housing.

Now, depending on which setup route you took, regarding intake manifolds, both turbo and non turbo upper intake manifolds will bolt up to the lower intake manifold. If you choose the turbo intake manifold, it is smart as well to go with the turbo valve covers as well, and the rest is self-explanatory. For the non turbo upper intake manifold, the sensors such as the cold start injector, and ISC valve work on the GTE wiring harness. If you choose this manifold, you will notice that the Y pipe takes up a large portion of room, with no stock mounting points for the coil pack. The coil pack can be mounted sideways, (please refer to my site at http://bkriz.mkiiisupra.com/ for mounting bracket pictures) but requires a special mounting bracket to be fabricated, and the coil pack wiring needs to be extended for the connection to the wiring harness. In order to use the stock 7M-GTE spark plug wires, you will need to re-arrange the order of the coil pack so it is backwards from the stock configuration. It will be tight, but stock length spark plug wires will reach. From there, you should have no other things to worry about, and can be reassembled just like you would a normal 7M-GTE.

1.8 Final Thoughts

Was it worth it? Well, I have to respond to that question with another one: Do you like the MKIII supra? If you like working on it, if you like driving it, if you like understanding how the various systems on it work, then this is an excellent way to accomplish all of these things and have a very unique car on your hands once you’re done. The best part about this project is that each one is unique in its own way, and can be approached by many different aspects.

Don’t expect to have a super-go-fast-ultra-reliable car on your hands once you are done. It will take a long time until you find and work out all the bugs in the system, and even longer if you wish to modify it to become a fast(er) car than what you started with. Be prepared to have extra cash on hand when things go wrong, and do a lot of problem solving and diagnostics on the way.

All in all, once you boost, you won’t want anything else


AND...


jong said:
I've been receiving lots of requests for information regarding this. So, I'm creating this thread to clear up any confusion regarding this type of conversion and to pool information because some threads lack important info. If you have anything to add, please by all means do so, just keep it civil and of pure logical importance.

The following is information i gathered before and after doing my 1/2na-t. This is how i did it, the mistakes i made, and better ways to do things. Don't assume this is the "best" way to perform the 1/2na-t, this is simply my experience with it.

First and Foremost, i think its necessary to let people know that this is not an easy project. If may look easy, but don't let the conversion checklist fool you. This could ultimately make or break your car. Half-assing will not be tolerated by your engine. If you are to do this conversion, you must take your time. This sort of thing can't be rushed. You must also have a good undestanding of what you are doing. I would suggest you read "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell. This book will really help you understand turbochargers. Then i would suggest you rent the book "Vehicle and Engine Technology" by Heinz Heisler. Thats about an $85 book with almost 780 pages. Written by a professor from london, its very very helpful in learning about tuning and engine theory. Just touch a few chapters in that book, he beats a few topics to death. Again, i would like to stess the fact that i researched and read for almost a year before doing this conversion to my car. Its important to know what you are doing and that lefty is loosey and righty is tighty.

Another topic that often comes up in discussion is cost. heh, cost... Most supra owners will tell you NEVER EVER add up receipts, well... i did. The 1/2na-t cost me $1239 total. But... I got the following items for free; 440 injectors, fuel regulator, exhaust manifold, HKS downpipe, stock bov, stock tubing. I also got insane deals on a rebuilt ct-26 (175), safc (150), and intercooler (60). Also one thing that i forget to budget for this project is mistakes.. Heh, mistakes cost me at least 50 total. Just for broken bolts, nuts, new gaskets, silicone, hose clamps... over time it all adds up. I would say, a safe budget would be at 1500-1750. Its always better to have too much money for a project than too little.

Okay, here is the 1/2na-t Parts list that i worked off of. I collaborated this list 4 monthes before i did the project and then modified it after i did it. Its fairly accurate.

The ½ NA-T Conversion
Performed on a 1986.5 mk3 Toyota Supra
Parts Needed From Mk3 Turbo
-CT26 turbocharger
-Stock Piping
-Exhaust manifold
-Down-pipe
-440 injectors (better get them now)
-Blow off valve w/ tube assembly
-Oil inlet and outlet lines
-Coolant in/out lines
-Fuel Pressure Regulator

Optional Parts from Mk3 Turbo
-Stock BOV (probably easier to put aftermarket on)

After market necessities
Items marked with * can be optional but just make life easier
-Boost Gauge
-Fuel Pressure Gauge*
-Air/Fuel ratio Gauge
-New free flowing exhaust*
-A’PEXi Super ACF fuel controller (SAFC)(HIGHLY RECOMMENDED)
-2mm Metal head gasket (MHG) Tighten your stock to 72 ft/lb. and you should be good*
-Fuel Pressure regulator of some kind! Generally a rising rate fuel pressure regulator (RRFPR)*
-Oil Cooler*
-Aftermarket Downpipe*
-Aftermarket Blow Off Valve (BOV)*
-¾” rubber hoses for oil outlet*
-Turbo NGK Spark Plugs gapped at 29
-MSD ignition Boost Timing Master (BTM), this will eliminate detonation and take the guesswork out of retarding the timing on the car.*



Tips and N/A modifications to ensure the proper operation
-Tighten your AFM so the turbo doesn’t constantly suck it open
-Retard timing 2-5 degrees if no MSD BTM is used
-Re-Route PCV hoses and plug up where they enter the throttle body, if this isn’t done you’re car will smoke like no tomorrow
-For the Oil, take oil from the pressure sender unit, just screw in a T and get your oil feed from there. For the oil drain, you can either; a) remove the block plate for the oil cooler return and use that, which is easier but may not flow as well, or you can b) remove the oil pan (PITA) and insert your own drain fitting
-Start out with a stock boost pressure and get the car running for a while before you crank the boost.
-Cranking the boost is not recommended
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Alright, if you have any questions regarding information on this list, it can most likely be found in SF, so just search. If it doesn't appear in the search, ask me, and i'll add it to the list if i think its important.

Okay, next i'll include the installation checklist i used during my 1/2na-t. Its not very specific because most of the stuff i had in my head, but it'll get you started in the right direction.

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½ NA-T Conversion Checklist

-Check Compression, using TSRM, if not good... Do NOT proceed


-Remove all NA intake and exhaust manifold, throttle, ect.
-Clean engine
-Remove valve covers
-re-torque HG (get instructions for this)
-Clean throttle, intake Y-pipe, and manifold (carb cleaner, just get carbon out)
-Install RRFPR and injectors (make sure to put the rubber washers on the bottom of the injectors)
-punch hole for oil drain or use existing oil drain (easier and safer to remove oil pan for this)
-Install oil feed T-coupler into oil pressure sender
-install intercooler and oil cooler
-install EGT probe and other probes/gauges
-Gap and install spark plugs (autolites, NGK, but NO BOSCH!!!!!)
-install ex. manifold, turbo, elbow, DP (may need new bolts, nuts, and gaskets)
-install Intake manifold, y-pipe, and throttle
-install hoses, BOV
-Adjust AFM
-Add Octane booster (toluene, xylene, ect)
-Adjust timing
-tune, and get to idle
-check oil pressure for turbo
-grace tuning

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The following are mistake i made along the way and how to correct them....

1) Oil feed... i used an oil filter reloation kit to feed oil to my turbo. That proved too much oil too soon, and it forced oil past the seals, into the intake. bad idea. I now have oil coming from a feed installed in the oil pressure sender. much better

2) Oil drain... I punched a hole with a punch into the side of my oil pan then jammed a fitting in there. I'm a little embarrassed by this, because it's probably the dumbest thing i've ever done. Oil leaked everywhere and my GOBS of silicone glue didn't aid the problem at all... I removed the oil pan and now have a nice, clean, secure fitting in there. It doesn't leak a drop.

3) dyno.... this was rushing in its purest form. I completed the 1/2na-t in a week and set a dyno appointment for the end of the week. It sucked. The car ran poorly because i tightened the last bolt 5 minutes for the dyno. A huge manifold leak and throttle blockage caused miserable, embarrassing, and depressing numbers. To fix this... simply take your time.

4) BOV... I vented a stock BOV to open air.. enough said... that caused nice vac leaks and inconsistant boost. To fix this... get an aftermarket or plumb the stocker into the intake.

5) I didn't search... I pestered the heck out of people from SF, over AIM and on the phone. I was a real PITA, asking dumb questions. This made a lot of people uncomfortable with talking to me, and kinda annoyed with me. To fix this problem... just search, read, and learn because that will answer most questions. If you need pics, search SF, i've posted quite a few. Have fun with this and be careful!
 

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DegreE;988581 said:
Can anybody provide me with a complete list of EVERYTHING I need? I looked at teh FAQ in the NA Section and its not telling me awhole lot. I want to change everything over sensors and all. I want to keep everything OEM as possible.

If the FAQ in the NA section (and posted above) is "not telling you a whole lot" you might want to rethink doing it on your own ;)

This is a pretty extensive conversion...spoon feeding to you is not going to happen. You need to gather as much info as possible and ask specific questions. If you're not going to take the time to do that, there's not many knowledgeable people here that will take the time to answer. Otherwise, it might be better for you to pay someone to do the conversion.
 

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Really? ;)

Just scanning the above list yields two...AFM and O2 sensor...neither of which you mentioned.

Suggest you read the last paragraph on the list (#5)...that is what I'm getting at.
That FAQ is about as complete as you're going to find.
 

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The only thing I see missing from the list is knock sensors. The GTE engine uses 2 and the NA only one. Everything else seems to be on the lists.
 

shaeff

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If you're using the GE block, and GTE electronics, you have two options.

1) tap the other sensor location on the block and run two KS's.

2) make a custom pigtail with single input, dual output at the ECU, thus making one sensor signal split into two for the GTE ecu.

#2 is what I did to s383mmber1's car, and it works perfectly.
 

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I want to announce that I hate this thread more than any other on the forum because it comes up on a TON of keywords when searching and the title tells nothing about the contents of the thread. It should be deleted permanently from supramania.

Oh, and this is all because Degree didn't read a sticky and the entire sticky thread was pasted here.