Is there any build number info by year per color/interior combinations?

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The new 911 turbo's have a rediculous 0-60, watching them launch with the sequential box is like watching a ninja kill you. Don't get me wrong it is a good engine design for certain reasons but in the grand scheme it isn't the best. It is much more useful in a Porsche due to the rear engine design, a front engine awd vehicle doesn't need a boxer engine. Case and point the EVO, which when it hit the shores and competed with the STI, beat the STI at everything except for sheer power and acceleration (the STI had an extra .5L to work with). The newer EVO's are gay IMO but the last of the 4G63 equipped cars were a force to be reckoned with.

I think the boxer engine is necessary in a Porsche, I think Subaru just uses it to be different, if they had Inline engines they would be the same as everyone else but not quite as good and hence run out of business real fast. They know boxer engines, no one else other than Porsche does, so they stick to it to give themselves a niche to survive in. But there is a reason NO ONE else uses them, Toyota is just capitalizing on that niche with the FT and hopefully using some of their amazing engineering and quality control skills to make this engine more reliable.
 

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Ferarri knows a thing or two about using boxer engines... My biggest worry about the new Toyota sports car is the build quality of them in recent years. Ever since they started building them here in the states, the things just don't seem to hold up as well. I've seen Toyotas that are 06+ that are in worse shape than my 20+ year old Supras. They just built them better back then, and I hope that this changes for the better in the near future. As for Subaru having their 'niche', you do have a point there. They've been doing the boxer for all these years, why stop now? Kinda like Mazda and the Rotary...
 

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Ferrari's testarossa engines were not boxers. They were V12's that were laid 180 degrees flat. Thats why they don't sound like theyre mis-firing all the time like every subaru does lol. And they still leaked oil like a bitch, plus Ferrari can't be a testament to reliability, they made a few thousand each year and they get like a thousand miles a year put on them. And they still break. Hell to do a timing belt you have to drop the entire subframe and drivetrain out of the car........lame.
 

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GrimJack;1758832 said:
Seriously? The Mazda Rx8 news hit the internet a few days before you posted that... I think you're a bit behind!
I also posted up a thread in OT on that subject whenever I came across that on Jalopnik too. ;)

mk1spyder;1759116 said:
Ferrari's testarossa engines were not boxers. They were V12's that were laid 180 degrees flat. Thats why they don't sound like theyre mis-firing all the time like every subaru does lol. And they still leaked oil like a bitch, plus Ferrari can't be a testament to reliability, they made a few thousand each year and they get like a thousand miles a year put on them. And they still break. Hell to do a timing belt you have to drop the entire subframe and drivetrain out of the car........lame.

Was a joke sir. Both my post and the Testarossa, even if they are beautiful... What differentiates a 180° V-engine from a boxer engine then? If I'm mistaken, then please enlighten me. I'd hate to be putting blatantly false information out there...
 

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The crankshaft. Flat plane vs cross plane crank shaft. It is what changes how the opposing cylinders fire and in what order, whether they are firing at the same time (stupid, subaru) or working together sequentially (ferrari, every other manufacturer, doesn't sound like its misfiring). Wiki it.
 

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Interesting, I'll take a look into it. Personally, I love that sound...