Intercooler piping and Smog

[bluemax]

The last time I checked for EOs (Executive Order) I didn't see any hard pipes. So technically if you take it to a smog station, they could fail you and you couldn't prove they were OK. You could try to pass them as OEM equivalents. The upper hard pipes and the bov would be the problem. The pipes themselves don't affect emissions, but the bov and bov set-up does.
You could try to get a waiver from the referee for the hard pipes, but you won't get it with a tricked-out aftermarket bov set-up.

The silicone couplers might be OEM equivalents. I couldn't say either way on that one.

 

[supraman7mgte]

The last time I checked for EOs (Executive Order) I didn't see any hard pipes. So technically if you take it to a smog station, they could fail you and you couldn't prove they were OK. You could try to pass them as OEM equivalents. The upper hard pipes and the bov would be the problem. The pipes themselves don't affect emissions, but the bov and bov set-up does.
You could try to get a waiver from the referee for the hard pipes, but you won't get it with a tricked-out aftermarket bov set-up.

The silicone couplers might be OEM equivalents. I couldn't say either way on that one.

I wonder if that applies even if the aftermarket BOV blows back into the stock intake hole before the turbo?

 

[JustAnotherVictim]

I'm pretty sure they fail you for having any type of after market bov no matter what, which kinda cunfuses me because isn't the air that is released just cooled air anyways. I think the silcone couplers are ok since they are basically the same thing, again not positive they fail you for stupid things. Not sure on the hard pipes I wouldn't see why that should make a difference but smog here is stupid

 

[bluemax]

The bov has to have an EO. Its a functioning part of the intake system. No cool aftermarket bov will pass California emissions unless it was a full kit that plumbed back into the intake like the stock one. The mfg would have to make a full kit with the hard pipes. No one is going to do it and get an EO for California for a vehicle specific case. The sales wouldn't be there to make their money back.
For anyone interested, here is the website for California rules and regulations:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/aftermkt.htm#ca

 

[karma]

thanx for the link bluemax.

Wow i didn't know that HKS, Trust, and Spearco intercooler upgrades for the supra were CARB legal. I searched and found E.O. numbers for each of these

 

[suprarcr89]

I dont see why they would fail you over that but then again why do people do most things. this is the only reason why i dont like california. cant you find someone that will overlook that stuff.

 

[supraman7mgte]

Intercooler Kits


HKS Intercooler Kits are application specific upgrade kits for factory intercooled turbocharged vehicles. Designed specifically for each application; intercooler width, height, thickness and placement are calculated for maximum efficiency and performance. All necessary silicone hoses, brackets, hardware and fittings are included for a complete bolt-on installation. Most application specific HKS Intercooler systems and upgrade kits are CARB exempt (CARB E.O. #D-186-21).



this is what i found on the HK$ website

 

[boost fiend]

if ya got a hks intercooler, its worth having at least a print out of it. maybe call them and get a carb sticker at least. tell them it fell off.

 

[tlo86]

use a baseball bat to pass

 

[tlo86]

The bov has to have an EO. Its a functioning part of the intake system. No cool aftermarket bov will pass California emissions unless it was a full kit that plumbed back into the intake like the stock one. The mfg would have to make a full kit with the hard pipes. No one is going to do it and get an EO for California for a vehicle specific case. The sales wouldn't be there to make their money back.
For anyone interested, here is the website for California rules and regulations:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/aftermkt.htm#ca

isnt it better for our cars to run it back into the intake anyway?....

reason for this

http://suprasport.com/product.asp?itemid=208&catid=47

 

[supraman7mgte]

thats where i had mine going before i took off the plumbing for that cool "woosh" sound. someone out there makes a custom hose that will fit,and i need to find them!!

 

[bluemax]

For smog inspection, just keep a copy of the EO that you can print out in PDF from the CARB site in your glove box. It has the EO number and EO document. The state referee will accept it and so should anyone else.
Some of the intercooler kits come with partial hard pipes. My Spearco came with lower pipes and silicone couplers.

 

[boost fiend]

if the item came with the couplers and you have a eo number. they have no valid reason to fail you then. the guy must just have sand in his vagina then.:icon_evil

 

[T34418L3ONE]

i like how cali makes rules to hinder the aftermarket and modifing cars just to give themselves a bullshit desk job. perfect example is the bov thing. i just dont understand why you cant expell air that you just sucked in! it hasnt even gotten into the intake manifold, nor seen any form of gas or combustion. Sorry just something thats been buggin me..........

 

[boost fiend]

makes sense though. i see your point

 

[bluemax]

The air that passed the afm has already been metered. So when it blows out the intake through the bov, the car now runs real rich. Now the HCs go way up. Granted, its only for an instant, but thats California. The legislators make the poor car owners (who don't give the legislators money to get re-elected or off the books incentives $$$) spend useless $$$$$ on passing smog and getting your car tested at rip-off smog stations (and I've seen a lot of them) and don't do anything about the black smoke diesels. Just like noise regulations on cars when the Harley driving by makes twice the noise as the fully modded straight through exhaust rice burner. The intent is good (to clean up the air). But the execution of the intent always comes down to money and is never with the people in mind.

 

[karma]

I disagree bluemax. The intent was never to make cleaner air because you can modify your car with aftermarket parts to get partial 0 emissions legitimately and they will fail you without the damn EO number. They could care less about emissions, what they care about is the fines, registration, revenue generated from insane laws. If all they cared about was cleaning up the air, then sniffer test would be all you had to go through after the Smog tech verified you didn't have your car setup to cheat the system and that would be it.

 

[bluemax]

karma, you could be right.......
But I think the politicians want to regulate everything. So they have to regulate how your car passes smog. You could modify it to cheat, like the old air pumps did back in the 70's and 80's. They were smog equipment from the factory. Who's going to say one aftermarket product is legal and another one is not. The smog inspection station can't make that determination. So the state does and issues EOs for the legalized ones.

I do agree that $$$$ is what drives most politicians but the reason they use for smog testing is to clean up the environment. Remember California has one of the worst air polution problems in the country.

Either way you look at it, it S....ks for Californians.

 

[T34418L3ONE]

for the record, cali's hc problem is just as much cow farts as it is cars

 

[GrimJack]

Notice my previous post... where they failed the car that had been converted to electric because the original smog equipment had been removed. (Along with the entire gasoline burning engine, I should point out.)

This is not the behavior of a state that cares about emmissions. This is the behavior of a state that is lining their pockets at their resident's expense.