Indiana Police don't "play"....

Drake69

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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/23017669/detail.html
MARTINSVILLE, Ind. -- Two Martinsville police officers have been suspended after they were accused of using a Taser to subdue a 10-year-old.
A news release from the mayor's office and the Martinsville Police Department said the officers responded Tuesday evening to Tender Teddies Day Care on reports of a 10-year-old who was out of control.
The release said that the officers, trying to prevent the child from hurting other children, staff members and himself, slapped the boy and then used a Taser to subdue him.
"While the department will not condone the unnecessary treatment of any subject, regardless of age, in any apprehension situation, additional comments will not be made pending results of the final investigation," the release read.
The day care's owner, Heath Lancaster, did not want to comment on the case, saying only that it was in the hands of the Department of Child Services and police.
Officials said officers had been called to the day care before about the same child.
"One of the police officers came out here and said they have trouble with him all the time because he is a problem child," said neighbor Stephanie Hamilton. "He was kicking and screaming … and he wouldn't quit."
Kenneth Frazier said he believes the boy needs help.
"I don't think that should have happened. I'm sure they could have detained him some other way," he said. "They take big grown ups down without tasing them … why a 10-year-old?"
Officials said the two officers, whose names weren't released, have been suspended with pay and placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation by the Morgan County Sheriff's Department.
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Ok. My question is why would they have a daycare inside a lingere store in the first place??
 

bhmsupra

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As a father, me and the local PD would have a problem.
A slap on the ass, yea some kids got need it. But to taze a 10 year old, sorry. Uncalled for!!!!!!!!
 

mkiiSupraMan18

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a 10 year old should know when to STFU and listen...

I'd say maybe, or maybe not... I'd venture to say that in this day and age, the kid probably needed/deserved it.
 

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idk, it was a little extreme to use the tazer, unless the kid threatened their lives or his own life in some way. I'm still up in the air about it, but for now I'm against the officers on this one.
 

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mkiiSupraMan18;1542718 said:
a 10 year old should know when to STFU and listen...

I'd say maybe, or maybe not... I'd venture to say that in this day and age, the kid probably needed/deserved it.

The next entitled generation in the making......
 

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Tazer was a stupid move. Tazers are LESS lethal weapons, not non-lethal as they can still kill (though it's rare). Using it on a child is fucking stupid, this would be seen as child abuse if a parent did it.
 

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The title of this thread is unfair to the 99.9% of Indiana Police Officers who do their jobs according to State Law and department policy.

To tase a 10 year old at a day care is absolutely uncalled for. But seriously, who the fuck calls the police because they can't control a 10 year old? Out of all the incorrigible juvenile calls I have taken, I have never met a kid I can't physically control.
 

Drake69

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It was really meant as a joke, not a slight on all Indiana police officers, but the actions of a few cast a darker shadow on others. I do agree with you though, there is NO EXCUSE an adult, ANY adult, can't handle an unruly 10-year-old without resorting to violence. And calling the police to do so is an abuse of the 911 system, as a whole.

If the parents need to be contacted, get their butts down to the daycare and DISCIPLINE that brat. Parental corporal punishment is allowed, so long as it doesn't mark the child in any way (cuts, bruises on places other than a sore ass, etc...). But TASERING a child? No. Never. And other Indiana law enforcement locations need to step up IMMEDIATELY and state it to that fact, not be silent about it.

If there were extenuating circumstances, i.e. - kid cuts/stabs another in a fit of rage, becomes a danger to himself and/or others, it needs to be stated QUICKLY and DIRECTLY in the news so that it shows the police officers acting in a rational and thoughtful way to protect a life. This has not been done, overshadowing a greater concern for the lives of civvies. If a cop can go off half-cocked and zap a kid, what else will set them off?

There are too many loose ends to this story, and I don't like it, not one bit.

EDIT: just reread the article. Although it DOES state the taser was used to keep the child from hurting others/himself, it is not as clear as it should be. And still there is no mention of other police districts condoning/condeming the officers' actions.

On another note, handcuffs/zip ties would have been more appropriate to subdue that brat. THAT I would have agreed with.
 

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Drake69;1542982 said:
Parental corporal punishment is allowed, so long as it doesn't mark the child in any way (cuts, bruises on places other than a sore ass, etc...).
There are extenuating circumstances. Example; Mom is 5'0" 120lbs and son is 15 years old 5'8" 185. If (And I have told this to a mother in front of her son) the kid wants to run away, or disrupt a family get together, or go hang out with his shitbag gang member friends, and mom doesn't want him to...she can by law, force him to stay inside by whatever means are necessary. Necessary is an important word in law enforcement. If the kid is pushing mom out of the way, due to his size and strength, I would think a frying pan upside the head would be necessary to keep him from leaving.

Drake69;1542982 said:
But TASERING a child? No. Never.
Again, extenuating circumstances. But I know what you mean.

Drake69;1542982 said:
If there were extenuating circumstances, i.e. - kid cuts/stabs another in a fit of rage, becomes a danger to himself and/or others, it needs to be stated QUICKLY and DIRECTLY in the news so that it shows the police officers acting in a rational and thoughtful way to protect a life. This has not been done
...That we know of. We all know the media has a reputation for printing things that aren't true, and or printing their own information just to fill in needed space. And with a little research, it doesn't surprise me that the news company (IndyChannel6) favors the democratic agenda. Which leads me to believe there is information being left out that would potentially show the Officers' actions a little more justified. Don't get me wrong, I still don't think it was justifiable to tase a 10 year old at a daycare. I'm just saying, people need to take in the fact, there are two sides to every story, and you can't trust the media.

Drake69;1542982 said:
There are too many loose ends to this story, and I don't like it, not one bit.
I agree.
 

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Drake69;1542982 said:
there is NO EXCUSE an adult, ANY adult, can't handle an unruly 10-year-old without resorting to violence.

Grabbing them is considered an act of violence these days and they'd lose their jobs and be labeled monsters anyway. Atleast it's obvious what they did to the kid and they werent accused of hitting the kid with socks with bars of soap in them for 20 minutes.

Buncha litigious pussies this country is churning out. Show the kids that if they flock up there's hell to pay not just pulling them aside and saying "I understand you're angry... but you shouldn't punch me in the face 10 times. It's not ni.... 11 times is definitely too many. I'm going to tell your mommy." What do you expect from kids? Respect?

[sarcasm]lulz[/sarcasm]
 

Drake69

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mkiiSupraMan18;1543887 said:
Grabbing them is considered an act of violence these days and they'd lose their jobs and be labeled monsters anyway. Atleast it's obvious what they did to the kid and they werent accused of hitting the kid with socks with bars of soap in them for 20 minutes.

Buncha litigious pussies this country is churning out. Show the kids that if they flock up there's hell to pay not just pulling them aside and saying "I understand you're angry... but you shouldn't punch me in the face 10 times. It's not ni.... 11 times is definitely too many. I'm going to tell your mommy." What do you expect from kids? Respect?

[sarcasm]lulz[/sarcasm]

No, I think you're missing the point. Adult police officers are a helluva lot stronger than a 10-year-old. Bodily force IS acceptable if the kid is committing assaults on others like kids and teachers, so restraining a child in cuffs, zip ties, sitting on the kid, strapping him to a chair or gurney, even hogtying the bastard are all acceptable levels of force. A Taser however is a shock device that has potentially lethal ramifications to it. People have been known to die from low-level zaps from stunners in the past.

Wikipedia said:
Because of the use of electricity and the claim of the weapon being non-lethal, controversy has sprouted over particular incidents involving the weapon and the use of the weapon in general. In essence, controversy has been centered on the justification of the use of the weapon in certain instances, and, in some cases, health issues that are claimed to be due to the use of the weapon.

Tests conducted by the Cleveland Clinic found that Tasers did not interfere with pacemakers and implantable defibrillators.[8] A study conducted by emergency medicine physicians at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) Medical Center showed no lasting effects of the Taser on healthy test subjects.[9] However, Taser International no longer claims the devices are "non-lethal", instead saying they "are more effective and safer than other use-of-force options".[10]

Currently, Tasers are programmed to be activated in automatic five second bursts, although the officer can stop the energy charge at any time by engaging the safety switch. The charge can also be prolonged beyond five seconds if the trigger is held down continuously. The operator can also inflict repeated shock cycles with each pull of the trigger as long as both barbs remain attached to the subject. The only technical limit to the number or length of the electrical cycles is the life of the battery, which can be ten minutes or more.

Repeated bursts by a Taser can be lethal as evidenced by the death of the Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski [11] in the Vancouver, BC airport where he died after the RCMP officer, in spite of his training, repeatedly stunned him with a Taser.

The study [12] done by Pierre Savard, Ing., PhD., Ecole Polythechnique de Montreal, et al., for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), indicated that the threshold of energy needed to induce deadly ventricular fibrillation decreased dramatically with each successive burst of pulses, however, one pulse may provide enough energy to induce deadly ventricular fibrillation in some cases. The threshold for women may be less. [13].

Although the Taser [14] is a programmable device, the controlling software does not limit: a) the number of the bursts of pulses and the time between bursts while the trigger is held down continuously, or b) the number of times the shock cycles can be repeated. Thus the design does not adequately reduce the likelihood that the victim's heart enters into a deadly ventricular fibrillation.

Torture
The United Nations Committee against Torture reports that the use of Tasers can be a form of torture, due to the acute pain they cause, and warns against the possibility of death in certain cases. [15] [16] The use of stun belts has been condemned by Amnesty International as torture, not only for the physical pain the devices cause, but also for their heightened abuse potential, due to their perceived "harmlessness" in terms of causing initial injuries like (e.g.) ordinary police batons do. Amnesty International has reported several alleged cases of excessive electroshock gun use that possibly amount to torture.[17] They have also raised extensive concerns about the use of other electro-shock devices by American police and in American prisons, as they can be (and according to Amnesty International, sometimes are) used to inflict cruel pain on individuals.[18]

Tasers may also not leave the telltale markings that a conventional beating might. The American Civil Liberties Union has also raised concerns about their use.

Also see --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues

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And no, I don't expect kids to be respectful, not by any means. Those days of ass-beatings by parents are completely gone now. Spoiled brats everywhere are allowed to walk all over adults with their threats of "Hurt me, you go to jail..." shit. That's why EVERY kid needs to spend 24 hours in a jail cell, regardless of being good or bad, in near complete isolation. Let them realize what happens when they go out of control, when only their minimal basic needs are met (food, water, sleep), and they have to rely on their own diversions to entertain themselves (no books, mags, music, TV, games, friends, cellphones, etc...).
 

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Listen being from indiana.... Thats how the cops roll there alot of times but tazing the kid may have made him calm down... remember punishment is to stop you from doing it again... all of the other forms weren't working so thats what they choose to use... maybe it wasn't the best choice but if it stops him from being an out of control serial killer maybe its not so bad... to bad we can't look into the future and see what could and would happen if we did certain things
 

IndyMK3

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all i know is i work at a local roller rink on friday nights and the kids there act like they dont have brains.... they have ABSOLUTELY no respect for any authority figure weather its me or the security guard who is there to help supervise (he is an off duty officer) they think they can get away with anything .....

I personally believe that it is the way children are brought up in todays society.... i dont blame violence in video games and on tv because I grew up on action movies and james bond video games and I show everyone respect no matter who it is.... I blame the parents and how they handle their kids, it seams like they let their kids get away with anything.... but i must say sometimes the parents are not to blame..... but i think most of the time they are.....

Everyone needs to see that these police officers prolly had a good reason to do what they did (maybe a bit extreme).... but you cant automaticly think OH its a ten year old he is going to be a sweatheart and a cute well behaved kid.... If the kid was taught F**k the police from day one (YOU KNOW THERE ARE PARENTS OUT THERE LIKE THIS!!!) then he prolly was out of control...

but thats my $0.02

Cole
 

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