I want to fab my own FFIM, any build up pics?

chriso

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I want to try my hand at fabbing up a FFIM. I've seen some awesome ones out there (Ron R comes to mind of course). Does anyone have pics of the buildup of one that they made themselves? What is the difference between the long and short runner styles and does it offer any advantages/disadvantages? What is a good throttle body to use for a mate up? Any help is appreciated. Thanks guys !
 

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Well, the shorter runners can be ported vigoriously and flow WAY more than the long runners. The full long runners normally flow 280-300 cfm for the whole ffim while the short runner fully ported flows 260 PER cylinder, or something close to that. I believe those are Ron's #'s. I think with the bigger intake manifolds you sacrifice a little spool time but I could be mistaken. Most use the q45 TB, but if you are good @ molding Al or Fe or any other type of metal you could make a tps adapter to fit on any TB really.
 

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Well, hopefully I'm not mistaken but short runner is the wedge shaped ones, long runners are like a big old log :)

Going purely from my thermodynamics knowledge, the short runner will provide a more even intake pressure per cylinder than the long runner. This is because as the air flows into the IM, cyl 1 will be pulling in air - a pressure drop. To overcome this the overall displacement of the IM decreases to maintain the same pressure to cyl 2. This repeats to cyl 6 where it is at its smallest. The only issues I can think of for this design are the potential turbulences as not all 6 cylinders are firing at the same time (duh!). IIRC firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4. So you can see that air will be pulled into each cylinder not sequentially and the mass of air in the IM will be pulled back and forth.

Another advantage to the short runner style is the air intake is pointed more directly at the cylinder intake. The more direct the path, the faster the air can travel. This is a good thing :)

Long runnes? Well, I can forsee the same turblance problems but at a larger scale as the intake air has to turn at 90 degrees to get into the cylinder.
 

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cheak out my build thread .... i maken one taken my time though but i think when i sm done it will be every thing i wanted it to be

mine is even short runner far as i kinow know one has done it my way yet
 

NashMan

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4 inc c channle and a 4inc pipe cut in half and some plate all so going to be runing v stacks as well and the lower are 3 manfold wiht 5 and 6 runners chopped off them to make proper flow in stead fo teh usely un even runners like you see on most ffi you see peoepl make