I now hate bmw's, and their stupid ass drivers

[whudafux]

4. If the light turned yellow as the Bimmer was turning, your light would still be red. Even if it had just turned red as he was going through, your light would be red or just turned green. You'd have to accelerate to your claimed speed of 35 mph to hit him. Or, you maintained your claimed 35 MPH approaching a red light, then it turned just as you got to the intersection.

Im pretty sure the beemer was in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn and he saw yellow and went. His view was probably blocked by another car also in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn the other way. Although he did go thru a yellow light (completely legal, as yellow light means stop if you can) it is illegal to wait in the intersection to turn. Most cops wont give you a ticket for it but it is illegal. But this would explain the dent on his passenger side fender.

 

[limequat]

Im pretty sure the beemer was in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn and he saw yellow and went. His view was probably blocked by another car also in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn the other way. Although he did go thru a yellow light (completely legal, as yellow light means stop if you can) it is illegal to wait in the intersection to turn. Most cops wont give you a ticket for it but it is illegal. But this would explain the dent on his passenger side fender.

That would make sense. Both vehicles started out opposed to each other. That would also mean that they both had yellows.

 

[Jayhall]

we both had yellow, and i have told you guys everything the way i remember it. the roads were wet, and i was being a defensive driver. The point of contact speed was 35 mph, i didnt have time to slow down at all.

 

[Godspeed]

as far as buying the car back when i got hit in the 1g they totled it and they let me buy it back for $77 i was like u damn right ill buy it back and to this day i still drive it

 

[Silvasoup]

Although he did go thru a yellow light (completely legal, as yellow light means stop if you can) it is illegal to wait in the intersection to turn.

While this may be true a car going straight always has the right of way unless there is a turn signal that is giving the other driver the right of way with an arrow. That Beemer had to wait to clear the intersection and only when it was safe to do so should he/she have proceeded. The Beemer driver was in a hurry like so many and made a bad error in judgement as a result. Unfortunately too often we suffer because of others poor judgement and lack of consideration.

I am very sorry to hear of the loss of Supra, but at least no one was hurt.

 

[koulee]

Im pretty sure the beemer was in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn and he saw yellow and went. His view was probably blocked by another car also in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn the other way. Although he did go thru a yellow light (completely legal, as yellow light means stop if you can) it is illegal to wait in the intersection to turn. Most cops wont give you a ticket for it but it is illegal. But this would explain the dent on his passenger side fender.

So was he waiting in the turn lane when it turned yellow and decided to go or was he actually in the middle of the intersection pass the crosswalk stripes when it turned yellow and went. If its the latter, usually he has the right of way.

 

[Silvasoup]

So was he waiting in the turn lane when it turned yellow and decided to go or was he actually in the middle of the intersection pass the crosswalk stripes when it turned yellow and went. If its the latter, usually he has the right of way.

Since when is that so? Last time I heard drivers going straight have the right of way. :dunno:

 

[johnathan1]

I just remembered, the same EXACT thing happened to my dad's Jaguar XJ-6 (i believe) about 5 years ago... totalled.

 

[GrimJack]

Here - and Jayhall lives here - people turning left don't get the right of way. In some extenuating circumstances, when you can prove the other car ran the red light or something, you may get responsibility transferred to him. This is, however, extremely rare.

This is actually a problem here, as a good percent of our drivers learned how to drive in Hong Kong, where the driving is FAR more aggressive and people turning left DO get the right of way.

And from what I understand, Jayhall is actually smacked up a bit - fractured ribs and a busted finger at least. Hopefully nothing unrepairable.

 

[Jayhall]

Here - and Jayhall lives here - people turning left don't get the right of way. In some extenuating circumstances, when you can prove the other car ran the red light or something, you may get responsibility transferred to him. This is, however, extremely rare.

This is actually a problem here, as a good percent of our drivers learned how to drive in Hong Kong, where the driving is FAR more aggressive and people turning left DO get the right of way.

And from what I understand, Jayhall is actually smacked up a bit - fractured ribs and a busted finger at least. Hopefully nothing unrepairable.

its only a fractured finger i think, and the doc doesnt think my rib isnt fractured, although the xray at the hospital showed one. Sore newck and chest. He was waiting in the intersection, but since he is cutting in my path, he has to yeild to me. ICBC is still yet to place blame...

 

[sarichmond]

Well I know exactly how you feel. Your partner in crime is gone. Spring is coming and he loved that time of year and not to mention the summer.

You guys might be the only ones that believe me when I say I have driven other nice cars like 300zx, BMW's, Wrx's, and Evo's,etc.... but there is something about our cars that I'm having a hard time letting go to. I know I'm keeping mine. I've had bumper damage to some other sports cars I've owned and got rid of them quickly, but not this one.

Like everyone say's get another and tranfer what you can over.

Sorry about your loss, to the tenth degree.

I don't want to hear about any more going down guys. Keep them save.

 

[boltz]

Although he did go thru a yellow light (completely legal, as yellow light means stop if you can) it is illegal to wait in the intersection to turn.

It is not illegal to wait out half way in an intersection on a green to turn left... but most times you end up taking the left turn on the yellow as the other cars going straight through will be stopping.

It is however Illegal to turn left on a controlled left turn signal light where there is a turn signal post in the median with a red, yellow, and green arrow. you can however still turn left on a controlled intersection which has a left turn light which is up above the road which has red, yellow, green, green arrow... you only turn left when it is safe to do so

I have a feling the left turner is at fault...

 

[Jayhall]

It is not illegal to wait out half way in an intersection on a green to turn left... but most times you end up taking the left turn on the yellow as the other cars going straight through will be stopping.

It is however Illegal to turn left on a controlled left turn signal light where there is a turn signal post in the median with a red, yellow, and green arrow. you can however still turn left on a controlled intersection which has a left turn light which is up above the road which has red, yellow, green, green arrow... you only turn left when it is safe to do so

I have a feling the left turner is at fault...

i sure hope so, or ill be right pissed and getting a laywer. I think theres alot of confusion setting in over the law, becasue we are from differant countries, and states and provinces, and all states and provinces have differant laws, they are basicly the same, just the details are different

 

[Jeff Lange]

Im pretty sure the beemer was in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn and he saw yellow and went. His view was probably blocked by another car also in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn the other way. Although he did go thru a yellow light (completely legal, as yellow light means stop if you can) it is illegal to wait in the intersection to turn. Most cops wont give you a ticket for it but it is illegal. But this would explain the dent on his passenger side fender.

Might be illegal down there, but it certainly is not up here. In fact part of driver training here is that you should be waiting approximately 1 lane out into the intersection.

No matter what the case, someone turning left ALWAYS has to yeild to someone coming straight through (except in super-rare occasions).

I don't think it should be an issue as to who was at fault.

 

[Jayhall]

Might be illegal down there, but it certainly is not up here. In fact part of driver training here is that you should be waiting approximately 1 lane out into the intersection.

No matter what the case, someone turning left ALWAYS has to yeild to someone coming straight through (except in super-rare occasions).

I don't think it should be an issue as to who was at fault.

the super rare occasion is a very, very late red light. But the cop wouldnt place blame at the scene, so thats whats got me worried. Plus i entered the intersection on an early yellow. But i have witnesses, hopefully everything works out in my favor.

 

[becauseican]

His bumper support is and always has been on the car. I know because I just installed the E-Bay IC and piping like 3 weeks ago. The pics just look funny because the bumper cover has come loose from the support and the cover is just hanging there. The pics just show another reason why to leave it in there. If the support was missing, on a similar hit the engine would probably have been pushed back into and possibly through the firewall and the front bumber cover would be pushed into the front tires.

I would NEVER drive a car without bumper supports, esspecially a Supra that is capable of going fast with little effort. Also you loose alot of structural rigidity with out it tying the front frame rails togeather, they are just hanging in the breeze with out the support there.

 

[NATAN666]

sorry for suggesting it wasnt, i don't have much experience with totalling supras and figured that was alot of damage for what had happened.

 

[Jeff Lange]

I would NEVER drive a car without bumper supports, esspecially a Supra that is capable of going fast with little effort. Also you loose alot of structural rigidity with out it tying the front frame rails togeather, they are just hanging in the breeze with out the support there.

True as that may be, vehicles like the AE86 never had front or rear bumper supports in markets outside of North America, and I know ooodles of people who go to JDM bumpers here, and never complain about structural differences.

The Supra needs all the structure it can get though, especially a targa, haha.

(I don't want to drive without rebars either... other stupid drivers )

 

[Jayhall]

True as that may be, vehicles like the AE86 never had front or rear bumper supports in markets outside of North America, and I know ooodles of people who go to JDM bumpers here, and never complain about structural differences.

The Supra needs all the structure it can get though, especially a targa, haha.

(I don't want to drive without rebars either... other stupid drivers )

i was never once worried about crashing my car, and having it be my own fault, i had all the confidence in the world in my driving. If it was only me on the roads, i would have had every safety device pulled off my car to save weight, but, as you say, gotta look out for the other people.

 

[Clifton]

bmw was turning left, light turned yellow, i guess the retard thought yellow meant go for him, and there was no way i could have stoped. I have a witness from behind me who said there was no way i could have stopped in time. Hopefully insurance honors all my witnesses (ive got 4) as for speed, the honast truth is, i dont not know, BUT i can confidently say i was not going over 60km/h, i beleve last i looked was 55km/h ( i think thats roughly 35mph, id go check my speedo, but i dont have my car anymore )

Even if he said the light was red, if he turned in front of you it is his fault. Failure to yeild. Had a friend turn left in front of someone. He said the light was red. He got cited.