How many people fuel up while leaving the Supra running?

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I have on a number of vehicles with bad starters (worked for a delivery co with cheap vehicles). Sure a running car increases the chance of a spark by 0.0001%, who cares? The real danger is when, in the event of a rare fire, some dipshit pulls the nozzle out of the car without first turning it off, and second, extinguishing the fire.
 

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cwapface said:
when I lived in oregon I laughed at all the people worried about static discharge while filling up. but here in tucson, all you have to do is get out of your seat and you are automatically charged, and a painful zap is never far away. Sometimes I get out of my car without touching the body, and every single time I get a zap when I finally do. So the potential is there, I hope it never happens to me with gas though
I once heard (don't know how accurate or where I heard it from) that if you get an electrical shock when you exit the car it is because there is a short somewhere. I get shocked all the time when I leave the Corolla.

As far as do I leave the car running, I had to only twice when I was driving it to Florida from New York. It would not start half way down the journey because of a bad relay I discovered weeks later. The total journey one way is 1500+miles. So that was the only time I left it running & for that reason.

I never let any machine idle for no reason. My friends do it all the time when they pull over to chat with me. I tell them to shut it off--why waste gas for no reason?!
One friend's reply was that he does not like to restart it for no reason. He claims that it wears the engine as there is not adequate oil pressure at the very beginning of starting a car.
We then talked about electric oil pumps that lubricate the engine before you even start the motor...that is another topic which deserves it's own thread possibly.

PS: the MKIII in my sig is where it was towed from in FL. And NO, I don't live in a pink house :p
 

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cwapface said:
when I lived in oregon I laughed at all the people worried about static discharge while filling up. but here in tucson, all you have to do is get out of your seat and you are automatically charged, and a painful zap is never far away. Sometimes I get out of my car without touching the body, and every single time I get a zap when I finally do. So the potential is there, I hope it never happens to me with gas though

Who are you? I thought I knew all the supra drivers on DM? Heh, auto hobby shop guys know me by name. Ask mike or james about bob's supra.
 

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As with the majority of people who have responded, I will pump gas with the car running, only if my TT is still counting down. I also pay with my debit card, so I'm never far from the car. Static discharge doesn't dramatically increase with a running car, so no big deal.
 

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IJ. said:
I don't do it but I think it's quite safe look at race refuelling!
(no turbo timer roller bearing turbo + accumulator)


Hahah My older brother was freakin out about having to refuel with the car running about 10 years ago when his starter went out....I used a similar analogy referring to aircraft refueling.
 
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Tony Mawad said:
I once heard (don't know how accurate or where I heard it from) that if you get an electrical shock when you exit the car it is because there is a short somewhere.

No. electrostatic electricity is built up in all cars when they are driven. the tires used to dissipate that electricity fast enough so you rarely got shocked but the "newer" tires are using much less carbon black in the mix (in order to reduce rolling resistance) so they dissipate electricity much slower, alowing you to get shocked when you exit the vehicle.

most esd fires at gas stations are from the person getting back into the car during fueling and sliding across a seat to get back out, building up an electrostatic charge. then the first metal object they touch is the pump and spark, fire, panic, etc...

leaving your engine running has nothing to do with electrostatic discharge. the reason you are supposed to shut off your engine is because they are affraid a spark in the engine bay will ignite some fumes or something. i dont know if i buy that one but apparently it has happened before, so...

the cell phone thing is pure urban myth. it was busted in mythbusters.

cigarettes is an interesting one. forget every movie you have ever seen. a cigarette cannot ignite gasoline. its simply not hot enough. so why cant you smoke at the pump? because a cigarette doesnt light itself. while a cigarette may not cause trouble, a match or lighter sure as hell will.

now i find it funny that people are using the racing car annalogy to justify their lazyness of not turning their car off. pit crews are always covered head to toe in nomex. i have also seen several pit fires involving refueling. i really dont see where the justification comes in.

and airplanes? hmm. i dont recall ever seeing an airplane beeing refueled with its engine running. not only that but they always clamp on a grounding wire to the plane before they even touch the pump.

do what you will, cause you will anyway, but if you cause a fire at the pump next to mine and my car getts toasted, well... lets just say, the fire is not what you should be worried about.:2ar15:
 
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Squid699 said:
ever heard of mid-air refueling? lol

I was also about 10 when I made that analogy, so don't judge me too harshly :icon_bigg

i guess that analogy might work if you had a 150mph wind ripping through the gas station.
 

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Yeah I've done it. When I lived in Colorado, during the winter when it's like 20 degrees blow zero. I'd start filling up then sit in the car with the heater vents on high. Only way to keep warm. Those pumps run damn slow when its that cold out.
 

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As for air refueling (on heavies anyway), the engines are out on the wings and away from where the gas is pumping. The boom on the tanker and receptacle on the receiver have some locking capabilities to keep them connected. Now, we were allowed to have some "siphoning" where some fuel leaked out of the receptacle and trickle down the body of the aircraft...but regardless we still had to inpsect the airplane after each refueling to check for any puddles! Also, we refueled at 275 KIAS, but other airplanes were different...:)
 
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Here in Oregon we are apparently too stupid to figure out how to use the gas pumps - yes... they are the very same ones the rest of you guys have but there are enough dipshits here to make it illegal to pump your own gas (unless you have a motorcycle and then I guess they figure you are going to die anyway so they let you pump your own gas - or something like that).

I never turn off my car when getting gas - what's the point? Ooohhh it may spark and blow up the gas station - Didn't MythBusters bust this myth?

Occasionally I will get one of those fine gas station attendants that will pitch a fit about it. My favorite time was the one that actually stopped pumping the gas and waited for me to take my keys out of the ignition. Once I did that he merrily continued pumping as if there were nothing out of the ordinary - my turbo timer happily counted down and he finished pumping and I put the key back in before the TT shut off.

I had one guy actually figure it out though and realize that when I took my key out the thing was still running. He refused to pump until the car shut off. I explained that the car did its own thing and would shut off when it was ready and that if he wanted to hold up the entire line just for me that would be fine by me but I didn't think the rest of the people would be too happy. He thought about this for a few seconds and then continued pumping - of course after he looked back and saw each lane had about 5 cars waiting in line.

Why can't we pump our own gas in Oregon?

Keith
 

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dirgle said:
Yeah I've done it. When I lived in Colorado, during the winter when it's like 20 degrees blow zero. I'd start filling up then sit in the car with the heater vents on high. Only way to keep warm. Those pumps run damn slow when its that cold out.

-20 is nothing.
 

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Jeff Lange said:
-20 is nothing.

lol yeah it gets down to -40 below sometimes and even got down to -60 once or twice
but -20 below is the norm for winter. And just so were clear we are talking Fahrenheit, right. (crazy Canadians and your metric system. :p )
 
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dirgle said:
lol yeah it gets down to -40 below sometimes and even got down to -60 once or twice
but -20 below is the norm for winter. And just so were clear we are talking Fahrenheit, right. (crazy Canadians and your metric system. :p)

Yeah I was talking fahrenheit.

-20F = -28C

It's not THAT bad. -40 is starting to get cold... :(

(-40C = -40F :))
 
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KeithH said:
I never turn off my car when getting gas - what's the point? Ooohhh it may spark and blow up the gas station - Didn't MythBusters bust this myth?

no, they busted the myth about the cell phones.
 

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haha, KeithH's story reminds me of a buddy of mine.... once he was fueling up with the engine still running, the cashier must have seen smoke from his exhaust or something, so she came running towards him and halfway out, she yelled something like "are you crazy? do you want to kill us all ?!?!?" :rofl:
he didn't feel like argueing, so he just smiled and shut the engine off.

actually, I know a couple of gas stations having stickers reading "please shut your engine off before refueling" on their pumps :squint: