help removing power steering

[supraman502]

I'm done with it lol

I was going to have a compression hose made to loop the power steering from the inlet to outlet, wanted to know who else has done this and how much length hose is needed?

Just trying to save some time on trial and error

 

[JtWo]

my buddy did it on his ae86. he didn't need much tubing.

 

[Rennat]

you need the res. as the rack pushes and pulls fluid from it, regardless of the pump.

i just welded one of the fittings shut... dont remember which, but it worked great.

 

[figgie]

physics owns all of you.

3400 lbs v 200 lbs of human flesh means you lose. Don't believe me? Try and park with no power steering and the car stationary (zero mph) and see how much fun that is. As a matter of fact, the gearing inside the stock power steering rack gives the leverage advantage to the car and not you, hence the need for power steering. If the driver had the mechanical advantage due to gear reduction etc (mustang rack retrofit comes to mind). Then it would not be an issue but such is not the case.

 

[JohnRardin]

physics owns all of you.

3400 lbs v 200 lbs of human flesh means you lose. Don't believe me? Try and park with no power steering and the car stationary (zero mph) and see how much fun that is. As a matter of fact, the gearing inside the stock power steering rack gives the leverage advantage to the car and not you, hence the need for power steering. If the driver had the mechanical advantage due to gear reduction etc (mustang rack retrofit comes to mind). Then it would not be an issue but such is not the case.

Yea I've been driving around about a year without power steering and it SUCKS! Parallel parking is embarassing. I have another pump layin around somewhere I just haven't gotten around to swappin it out.

 

[supraman502]

physics owns all of you.

3400 lbs v 200 lbs of human flesh means you lose. Don't believe me? Try and park with no power steering and the car stationary (zero mph) and see how much fun that is. As a matter of fact, the gearing inside the stock power steering rack gives the leverage advantage to the car and not you, hence the need for power steering. If the driver had the mechanical advantage due to gear reduction etc (mustang rack retrofit comes to mind). Then it would not be an issue but such is not the case.

none of that is remotely a factor for my opinion to remove the p/s, its a car that gets driven maybe a few times a month. A looped racked is much easier to turn than a faulty p/s system.

no ps > constant leaking and replacing parts

looped rack > broken p/s

 

[figgie]

none of that is remotely a factor for my opinion to remove the p/s, its a car that gets driven maybe a few times a month. A looped racked is much easier to turn than a faulty p/s system.

no ps > constant leaking and replacing parts

looped rack > broken p/s

lol

Such flagarant ignorance.

Sorry no.

No hydraulic assist, regardles if it is looped back or not is the same in both cases regardless of what you "think or feel". The MKIII power steering rack is not a perpetual machine.

Now, you want to remove it because the planets are aligned and the wicca cards told you to. By all means. Just understand that your logic equations are incorrect.

 

[Rennat]

its really not that bad figgie... my old 86.5 N/A, we took the p/s off... it was pretty fun to drive, and i would out handle all my friends whenever they tried to play. but it was also lowered, and a bunch of other crap...

parking isnt that bad either, just have to learn how to be light on the clutch and turn the wheel at the same time.

 

[figgie]

its really not that bad figgie... my old 86.5 N/A, we took the p/s off... it was pretty fun to drive, and i would out handle all my friends whenever they tried to play. but it was also lowered, and a bunch of other crap...

parking isnt that bad either, just have to learn how to be light on the clutch and turn the wheel at the same time.

No its bad.

I know that the car must be moving. At zero mph it is a different story (ie Parallel parking becomes a chore). I lived without powersteering for all of 3 weeks and then quickly fixed it.

No way that I would drive at high speeds without powersteering in our portly cars. Lose control and you are going for a ride without PS. Hell even in a straightline the damn tires want to torque to the right (yes, physics again, the mechanical advantage is geared to the car not us).

on the loop back front. It gains nothing and makes nothing "easier". Again. looping back will not help as this is not a perpetual machine.

 

[supraman502]

lol

Such flagarant ignorance.

Sorry no.

No hydraulic assist, regardles if it is looped back or not is the same in both cases regardless of what you "think or feel". The MKIII power steering rack is not a perpetual machine.

Now, you want to remove it because the planets are aligned and the wicca cards told you to. By all means. Just understand that your logic equations are incorrect.

ok, so your saying a completely dry rack steers just as easy as a rack with fluid sitting in it??

I want to remove it because I can and I want to, pretty simple, didnt ask why it should or should not be removed, asked if anyone on here has done it and remember the length of hose they used to loop it, pretty simlpe Q&A

Maybe your lack of strength is a factor in your opinion of how "hard" it is to steer. Have you driven one with a looped racked? I've driven both and the looped one turned easier, maybe I was just stronger that day or more ignorant that it just seemed a little easier. I also went a whole winter with a bad p/s pump cause I didnt feel like changing it out in the cold, wasnt that bad lol

 

[supraman502]

No its bad.

I know that the car must be moving. At zero mph it is a different story (ie Parallel parking becomes a chore). I lived without powersteering for all of 3 weeks and then quickly fixed it.

No way that I would drive at high speeds without powersteering in our portly cars. Lose control and you are going for a ride without PS. Hell even in a straightline the damn tires want to torque to the right (yes, physics again, the mechanical advantage is geared to the car not us).

on the loop back front. It gains nothing and makes nothing "easier". Again. looping back will not help as this is not a perpetual machine.

loose control? if something happened that bad, p/s would be the least of your worries. Really, makes nothing easier? so your saying a motor with a p/s pump, res and p/s lines is just as easy to pull out / work on than one without?

 

[figgie]

loose control? if something happened that bad, p/s would be the least of your worries. Really, makes nothing easier? so your saying a motor with a p/s pump, res and p/s lines is just as easy to pull out / work on than one without?

Not really. You are thinking 60 mph 80 mph. At a measly 30 mph you will have problems.

yep.

One bolt (banjo bolt on the pump that supplies the high pressure to the steering rack) and and one clip (from the resevoir to the PS cooling line) extra and the motor comes out the same. If that is "complicated"...then you picked the wrong car.

 

[supraman502]

yep.

One bolt and and one clip extra and the motor comes out the same. If that is "complicated"...then you picked the wrong car.

please send me photos of this 1 bolt and clip it takes to remove the p/s res & pump....
that doesnt remove the system from the engine, just allows the motor to come out

and its just as easy to get to the lower exaust side of the motor with them there too....huh?

 

[figgie]

please send me photos of this 1 bolt and clip it takes to remove the p/s res & pump....

and its just as easy to get to the lower exaust side of the motor with them there too....huh?

yep.



you never said anything about taking the PS resevior & pump off. Don't need to unless you are in that area and specifically for removal of heater hose return hose or working on the temp sender sensor.

Exhaust manifold does not need PS resevior out of the way.

RIGHT tools for the RIGHT job.

So care to try again at trying to justify with facts why the PS system needs to go?

Like I told you before.

If you threw some chicken bones, read tarot cards, prayed to whatever deity or just felt like taking the PS system out. That is your perogative but please do not ever confuse your opinon with technical facts.

You see the forum you posted in.

7M-GTE Technical discussion. This forum is for facts. Not hearsay, Speculation, "I Felt's". That is the General topic forums.

 

[supraman502]

yep.



you never said anything about taking the PS resevior & pump off. Don't need to unless you are in that area and specificalyl for removal of heater hose return hose.

Exhaust manifold does not need resevior out of the way.

So care to try again at trying to justify with facts why the PS system needs to go?

Like I told you before.

If you threw some chicken bones, read tarot cards prayed to whatever deity or just felt like taking the PS system out. That is your perogative but please do not ever confuse your opinon with technical facts.

I'm still waiting to hear your "facts" on how a dry rack steers just as good as one with sealed fluid in it.....

do you understand what "facts" & "opinions" mean?
Fact- I want to remove my p/s
Opinion - dry rack is easier to steer than a fluid sealed rack
Fact - Easier to work on a motor that doesnt have p/s items or fluid from a leaky system
Opinion- no p/s is super hard to steer
Fact - your opinion has nothing to do with the length needed to loop the system
Fact - A 7mgte with a hks long runner manifold and GT4088 makes it harder to get to areas with p/s in the way

 

[supraman502]

yep.



you never said anything about taking the PS resevior & pump off. Don't need to unless you are in that area and specifically for removal of heater hose return hose or working on the temp sender sensor.

Exhaust manifold does not need PS resevior out of the way.

RIGHT tools for the RIGHT job.

So care to try again at trying to justify with facts why the PS system needs to go?

Like I told you before.

If you threw some chicken bones, read tarot cards, prayed to whatever deity or just felt like taking the PS system out. That is your perogative but please do not ever confuse your opinon with technical facts.

You see the forum you posted in.

7M-GTE Technical discussion. This forum is for facts. Not hearsay, Speculation, "I Felt's". That is the General topic forums.

and the FACT is I asked about the technical length of a hose, no about the FACTS of why or whynot the p/s should be removed

 

[Big Wang Bandit]

Just go and get 3 or 4 feet of pressure hose(at my work we sell it in lengths of 5 10 and 20 feet) maybe you can get it on a spool where you live. Cut it to length. and make the hose. If you don't have the equipment to fit the fittings yourself, but some hose, and measure, have fittings installed and slap it back together.

Best of luck!

 

[supraman502]

Just go and get 3 or 4 feet of pressure hose(at my work we sell it in lengths of 5 10 and 20 feet) maybe you can get it on a spool where you live. Cut it to length. and make the hose. If you don't have the equipment to fit the fittings yourself, but some hose, and measure, have fittings installed and slap it back together.

Best of luck!

OR I could join a forum with owners of the same veh, make a thread asking a simple question in hopes that one of the many people that have done what I want to do will see it within the next few weeks, before I actually do it and offer some small insight to save a few hours and some $$ of trial and error.

But thank you for the insight, thats probably what I'll end up doing

 

[Big Wang Bandit]

I agree, Its okay, You do what you want, and let other people preach to a choir. Seems people tend to overlook the question at hand.

 

[supraman502]

I agree, Its okay, You do what you want, and let other people preach to a choir. Seems people tend to overlook the question at hand.

exact reason I've been a member for so long and have such few posts, you can ask the most simple question and all you get is replys of why or whynot you should do something