help ID'ing head bolts

flight doc89

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ok, the shop told me that when they replaced HG a while back, they used ARP head studs. well, i'm pulling the cam covers off my BHG 7M (only 10k miles on rebuild.....fuckers didn't honor their warrantee), and i see head bolts.

Is there anyway to tell ARP Bolts from factory bolts? (i can find pics of ARP head bolts everywhere, but damn google can't find me stock 7M head bolts)(more to trhe point im not wading through 10k pages) in case the guy just got mixed up?
 

flight doc89

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sonofabitch fucking bastards. I shell out an arm an a leg for a rebuild, and they fuck me over left and right. i wonder if i could sue them? I gotta find that shop ticket and see if they charged me for ARP shit (i don't think they did, but its worth checking, eh?)

they claim the headgasket blew because the car overheated. no, fuckers, the car overheated because the headgasket blew. "the heat tabs are melted, which means the car overheated" wtf heat tabs? anyone else heard of these? "that isn't the radiator that was in the car when we rebuilt it" no asshole your blown headgasket overpressurized the cooling system and put a nice crack in my toptank.

/rant
 

Dan_Gyoba

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That really sucks. I'll bet they not only re-used the factory head bolts, but torqued 'em to the factory spec of 58 ft-lbs.

As mentioned, ARPs are 14mm 12 point heads. The factory are 10mm allen heads.

Find your receipt. You might have trouble anyway unless you had those head bolts removed by a licensed mechanic who will verify that they were the ones in the car. You removing them yourself puts in the potential for misrepresentation, and now, of course they're not in the car, so it's hard to prove what was in there, regardless of what they charged you for.

Cause and effect for overheating/BHG is also hard to prove. They can prove that the car overheated (You're not even denying it, 'cause it did, right?) but they can't prove the cause. They can, however say that the radiator tank cracked for other reasons and then you ran it low on coolant before replacing the radiator. Head gaskets DO blow when you overheat the engine. Engines also overheat when the head gaskets blow. It's a chicken/egg thing.

Good luck though. Scum like that needs to be taken down. Just them not using the hardware that they charged you for is bad enough...
 

Poodles

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look em up on the BBB and see if they have any claims against em...

if they have a lot, you're probably fucked, but if they have few then you might have a chance as they might want to keep their name clean...
 

cuel

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heat tabs: http://www.partslocator.com.au/supplies/cid/3/category/Heat%20Tabs/parent/0/t/supplies I don't think all of them work exactly this way, but you get an idea of what they are. Machine shops, junk yards, and auto. mechanics use them all the time. Usually, they're installed on freeze plugs. Now, if I didn't know what I know about Supras, I would blow off anything a Supra owning customer tells me about how to torque head bolts, and follow the book. Sorry, but as far as mechanics are concerned, if you knew anything, you'd do it yourself....
As far as the head gasket, it blew because the car overheated; that's what they do. Now, if the head was torqued using the wrong pattern, that would be a problem. Yes, we all know the book is wrong for head torque, but the mech. has the book as the right way to do things. As long as he can point at the book and say I did it according to Toyota, he's in the clear. Unfortunately, you taking it apart, instead of a qualified mechanic, won't help your case.
If the cooling system wasn't fixed, that would be a problem as well. Especially if you didn't want a new radiator, t.stat., or water pump when they recommended it.

Now, if you got charged for new parts, and can verify that old/used/worn parts were put on instead...

If I was closer to you, I'd gladly take a look with you, and see if we couldn't figure out what went wrong, especially if you paid out a good deal of money for new parts.
 

flight doc89

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cooling system was fixed......each time. It blew two hoses and the radiator toptank. hell, the very first time they started it after rebuilding it, it blew a coolant hose (they reused the old shitty ones)

I don't know where the shop ticket with the parts i paid for is atm, we moved last month :(
i go there in the morning and ask for a reprint.

He told me specifically that they put in ARP studs tho.....
more fun stuff, my turbo with only 30k miles has some lovely shaft play