H&R springs sagging?

[Mastapip]

I've got a problem on my drivers side front wheel. The fender sags over the tire, so my tire rubs almost every time I turn.

I'm using Bilstein shocks on the highest setting, and H&R springs. I tried replacing the shock, but it still sags.

Any ideas what else might be causing this? I think it started doing this after a day of autocross practice (surprise surprise).

Any help is appreciated. I tried searching but couldn't find anything helpful.

 

[supraguru05]

Pictures of the wheel well would help. If your mechanically oriented you can just pull the front shocks and measure the spring free lengths and compare them to see if one is off. I dont see that being an issue since H&R springs are good quality.

 

[Poodles]

Torn bushings.

 

[Mastapip]

Pictures of the wheel well would help. If your mechanically oriented you can just pull the front shocks and measure the spring free lengths and compare them to see if one is off. I dont see that being an issue since H&R springs are good quality.

I ordered new bump stops which i plan on putting in tomorrow, so I'll probably try that...

Only reason i ask is because I remember someone writing a review of H&R springs (can't remember where or for what car) and saying that his started to sag over time, but who knows what else was going on there.

Poodles - a friend of mine mentioned it could be the A-arm bushings.... but I wouldn't know what to look for personally.... plan on getting it worked on Tuesday so hopefully I can find the problem.

 

[Flateric]

I've had my H&R's on for 15 plus years and they seem fine to me, but I do put the car up on stands every winter too.

I once thought I had a sagging spring on the drivers side just like you. I have the same struts too, bilstiens. My drivers side was about 1cm lower than the passenger side and in the end it turned out to be the rubber cushion at the top had crushed up more than the passenger side for some reason. I replaced em both and all was good.

 

[JDMMA70]

Get new insulators for your front spring hats.

 

[Mastapip]

Follow up - Changed the bump stops out today, and miraculously the car is back to normal ride height. The drivers side bump stop was completely cracked down the middle.... Passenger side wasn't too far behind. I'll post pics a little later.

just for good measure I'm also gonna change the spring hat insulators as per Flateric and Derek's advice... My drivers side is still a little lower than the passenger side (surprise surprise).

 

[supraguru05]

How much is a little bit? Did the rubbing go away?

 

[Mastapip]

My driver's side tire still rubs on big dips, but i can turn the wheel both ways to lock, while driving on smooth pavement, without any problem. I have a suspicion that once i replace the spring hat insulators it will return to a normal clearance.

 

[max-89supra(t)]

anybody have pics of these rubber cushions? i dont remember any when i was replacing springs and shocks, also, bump stops dont affect height right? or am i missing something?

 

[JDMMA70]

and the bump stops do make a difference. Steven89's bumpstops pretty much shredded up somehow and his RS*R Race springs which only lower the front 1.3" slammed him ride tucking the stock 16" wheels. Same springs on another car with good bumpstops the ride height returns to where its supposed to be.

 

[Mastapip]

+1 bump stops making a difference. I'm telling you that all I did was replace them and the ride height improved.

 

[max-89supra(t)]

thanks that is really help full, my front is sagging and its been bothering me for a while, i have new eibachs, yellow konis and poly urethane bushings from energy suspension, by the way where did you get that new rubber spring pillow- from toyota? how much were they?

 

[JDMMA70]

Yeah from Toyota they were expensive i think $30 each and they are backordered i had to wait like a month before they came in

 

[max-89supra(t)]

ok thanks ill be pulling off my front shocks in the near future to check, also one more thing, by bump stops guys you mean the rubber pieces on top of the shock that also work as a dust/dirt gaurd, correct?

 

[JDMMA70]

yes sir

 

[Mastapip]

Here's a link to the Bump stops I'm using. KYB calls 'em Strut boots. The front ones fit nicely even with aftermarket springs.

Kyb Strut Boot

As of this point I'm still waiting for those pads to arrive. Champion hasn't charged me yet, so i assume that means they've not shipped. They were special order and they said it would take 1-3 days for them to arrive at Champion before they sent them out.

Hopefully they were actually in stock at another location like they told me. I think they were like $16 each.

 

[Poodles]

Bump stop will have zero effect on ride height... Unless you pressed them all the way down against the shock body where friction could potentially hold the shock up.

Contrary to popular belief, blown shocks do effect right height though.

 

[Mastapip]

Bump stop will have zero effect on ride height... Unless you pressed them all the way down against the shock body where friction could potentially hold the shock up.

Contrary to popular belief, blown shocks do effect right height though.

You can sit there and tell me that, but that doesn't make it true.

I replaced the shock and nothing improved. Then i replaced the torn up bump stops (on both sides) and the ride height improved. It didn't improve by much but it did improve.

The bump stop on the left was on my drivers side.

 

[Poodles]

Because the car hasn't re-settled. The bumpstop doesn't contact the spring or the moving part of the shock (unless you bottom out) and will have no effect. If it's split like that, it's probably taken a beating, how good is the shock?