Got a Larger oil filter on today

Fuzz420

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HP-1002 Product Specifications
Product Style: Oil Filters
Height: 3.8 in (97 mm)
Outside Diameter: 3 in (76 mm)
PSI Relief Valve: 8-11
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes
Weight: 0.7 lb (0.3 kg)
Product Box Length: 3.12 in (79 mm)
Product Box Width: 3.12 in (79 mm)
Product Box Height: 3.8 in (97 mm)


directy from k&n's website, i dont know what it means so have at it
 

bobiseverywhere

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figgie said:
ack holy crap!! :eek:

20 microns and 19 microns!!!

I will stick with my 8 micron filter thanks!!

wtf??

Bypass valve setting at 8-11 psi??

In otherwords the damn things in our cars wont filter shit!!! They will just bypass most all of it including during the most crucial time... under BOOST!!!

what filter are you using that filters down to 8 microns


I found this info on a motor cycle site but it sound legit to me and so 20 microns should be ok

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html


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Most oil filters have filter elements made of paper and are effective down to about 40 microns. To the right is a paper element expanded 50 times. In this picture, a 30 micron particle is about this big: o The advanced filters have composite elements made of paper, cellulose, and fiberglass, and are effective down to 15 microns or less. Typically these advanced filters also have more surface area on their elements, and therefore more capacity. To put this into perspective, 25 microns is about 1 thousandth of an inch. In your motor, most parts like pistons, bearings, and bushings are set up with a clearance of 1 thousandth of an inch, so to the moving lubricated parts a 25 micron particle is as big as the oil film, and will scratch both surfaces. We don't want anything in our engines that is 25 microns or bigger. Some companies claim that even particles as small as 1 to 5 microns cause premature engine wear, but I don't find the evidence on this topic to be compelling, either for or against. Anyway, you can see now that standard paper filters are marginal. The paper filters let through about 10 to 20 times as much 25 micron stuff as the synthetic filters do, and about 5 to 10 times as much 15 micron stuff.

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To the right is a synthetic element expanded 50 times. It's not enough to ask a company to what size particle their filter is effective. Imagine a screen door with some oil on it. Obviously something the size of a golf ball or fly is simply not getting through. However, even particles which are a tenth the size of the holes sometimes don't get through - spray your screen door with a garden hose and see what comes off. Oil filters are similar, except the holes are random in size, not perfectly regular like a screen door. So, company A says "Our filters are effective down to 7 microns." What does this mean? If "effective" means "we catch 15%," well, I'm not impressed. You need an efficiency number along with the size number before you can really think you know something. No filter is 100% effective - this would require either very regular holes, which are currently impossible to mass produce, or very small holes on average, which would block too much oil flow.

Purolator makes filters in three qualities, standard, premium, and Pure One. Purolator states that their premium filters capture 97.8% @ 30 microns and 85.2% @ 20 microns. These numbers are typical of a normal paper element oil filter. The Purolator Pure One filters capture 99.8% @ 30 microns and 99.2% @ 20 microns. This means the Premium filter is letting through eleven times as many 30 micron particles as the Pure One, and eighteen times as many 20 micron particles. Clearly, the Pure One filter is doing a considerably better job of cleaning the oil than the premium filter.

The way the Pure One achieves this filtering efficiency is by combining three different types of materials in their filter: paper like everyone else to catch the big stuff, and cellulose and fiberglass fibers to fill in the "large" holes in the paper with their much finer fibers. Filters like this are now made by Purolator, Hastings (marketed as AMS), and Champion (marketed as Mobil 1 and Bosch). Accordingly, the best oil filters are the Purolator Pure One, Mobil-1, AMSOil, and Bosch. If you use one of these filters with one of the commercial synthetic oils listed above, you have the best protection money can buy.
 

tubbie

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Been using walmart Supertech 10+ years now in all my cars. 305000 miles on my lexus and no problems. Also cost half as much as any other filter. :bigthumb:
 

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I like my Pure One's. $5.88 each. to buy a wix you can go to NAPA and buy a napa gold.... it is a wix. I've used Mobil 1 filters... $10... never again. My P1's filter WAY better at half the price. PureOne, Napa gold/Wix are the only 2 filters I personally would use. the "longer" filter that will fit in the stock location is a PL20195. go to wix's site and cross ref it. or look up a filter for a 3.0 95 taurus I think.
 

Adjuster

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Depth filtration is the best setup possible, and why I'm using it.
Main full flow filter is a Canton/Mecca depth filter. Has no bypass valve as it does not need one. Dirty these filters flow more than brand new paper spin on filters, so there is less pressure drop even when ALL of the oil is pushed through the filter. The unit is about 75.00 with the first filter installed, and you have to run external lines to and from it. (But I have mine up where it's easy to change the filter, even though you don't need to change the filter as much because they are so much more effective, and hold more crap than spin on filters....)
So how well do they work? As Figgie noted, they are rated to catch debris down to 8 microns. (Not sure of the % caught, but it's very high down to that level..)

The idea is that debris larger than 10 microns causes most of your engine wear.

So the second line of defense is a "bypass" filter. This is also a non bypassing depth filter from Oil Guard. This filter is rated down to just one Micron or better. It stops all the debris that could be possibly harmfull to the motor, all the time. Again, it's a filter you don't have to change every oil change either as it can hold much more debris than a standard filter. Semi truck's using this type of filter claim to get 500,000 miles between oil changes when pure synthetic oils like Rotella T are used. On passenger cars, I suppose you could go quite a while between oil changes, but I'd not reccomend the 1/2 million mile deal... LOL (perhaps just two oil changes a year like I've been doing for awhile now with no problems on any of my cars when using qualtiy filters and good oils like Mobile One, or Rotella T Synthetic.)

Another advantage of more oil is more heat sink, and more thermal ability to shed heat into the air flow. (Coolers, lines and filter bodies all radiate heat into the airflow around them.) A major source of heat control is your oil belive it or not. My current setup is "full" at 10 quarts, but could be run up to 12 before the oil might be caught by the crank/rods.

The stock 7M is a easy car to run 6 quarts in all the time. I know that's "over full" but it's cheap insurance against rod knock, or other engine damage. I always like to see my oil slightly over the top of the full mark at minimum, or at the wire/blade junction when it's full to my specifications.
 

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thats an interesting setup you have. But if you are filtering doen to that small. Doesn't it kill the flow for the oil and bump up your oil presure a huge amount?


and if you look at the article i posted its not just about the micron size of the filter you can have a filter that claims 1 micron but then does not do anyhting cloase to what you need. At the same time maybe thats why you have the 2 filters. the 1 micron would actually catch stuff smaller then 1 micron in the oil
 

figgie

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bobiseverywhere said:
thats an interesting setup you have. But if you are filtering doen to that small. Doesn't it kill the flow for the oil and bump up your oil presure a huge amount?


and if you look at the article i posted its not just about the micron size of the filter you can have a filter that claims 1 micron but then does not do anyhting cloase to what you need. At the same time maybe thats why you have the 2 filters. the 1 micron would actually catch stuff smaller then 1 micron in the oil

nope

as the surface area is alot more than the standard oil filters. I run a Canton/Mecca Super filter that is good to 8 microns. No bypass (as stated by adjuster). No issues with pressures and oil is clean for a while :)