Found a good place for 2jz or 1jz it seems

Skam9685

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Well on my day of being out and about I stopped by Driven Concepts. They have a lot of Toyota Supras there being worked on but only 1 MK3. I talked to the guy and he said he has 2jz engines in the back and they run about $2500.00 complete. Being that I've looked at alot of places this seems like the cheapest price I can find. He showed me around back and it seems as though these engines are in good shape. Gonna call them up later on and see exactly how much it will be for the labor etc. with 2jz to be installed into my car. Will let yall know if the engines are worth it to buy or not and if they are gonna be a good place to find the beloved 2jz easier in Florida.
 

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How do you know the engines are of quality? Because they've been washed down and look nice doesn't mean anything.

Take the valve covers off, compression, and leak down test. Then make a decision.

Anybody can put some soap and water on an engine and say it's clean.


When you say complete what do you mean? Harness, fan clutch, ignitor, map sensor, etc? For 2500, it better be more than a block, head, turbos, and intake manifold.
 

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Skam9685 said:
Well the guy said everything needed for a swap but tranny ie wiring harness, ECU and such and such

He said they come with a 6 month warranty as well if installed into your car

Sounds like buttrape to me.

So basically 2500 for everything needed for the swap except the expensive stuff you really need.

Harness, ECU, transmission, and all other electronics will add up to 1000-1500+ real fast.

Ok, so you get the engine for 2500

Just for starters, you still need

harness - 500-700
ECU - ~200-300
R154 - 300-400 (if you don't already have one)
1JZ bellhousing - 300
MAP sensor - 70-100
Ignitor - 70-100

That's just what comes to mind.

What did he mean when he says "everything needed for the swap." Alot of places don't know what is needed to put together a turn key running 2JZ Supra.
 

Skam9685

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Sorry I worded that wrong, but he said you get the wiring harness, and ecu from what I know. Dont remember him saying the MAP Sensor or Ignitor but I'm assuming that would come with it. I know the 1jz bellhousing and r154 tranny wouldnt come with it but that doesnt bother me cuz im looking for those regardless depending on which way I go.
 

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If you want to know how much it would cost you to get a running 2JZ Supra, I would PM a member that has done it already. I wouldn't expect your engine importer to know how to put together a running 2JZ swap.

Expect to spend a considerably amount more than you plan to originally. It is very easy to get in over your head doing a swap. Alot of things come up you didn't think of before. Mostly maintenence items.

Not trying to discourage you, just being realistic. If a 2JZ swap is what you want to do, I hope you are able to get it done. It would be a good idea to become VERY familiar with the swap and all necessary steps before you spend a penny. If you buy a 2JZ with just the harness and ECU, you can end up getting nickel and dimed to death piecing together the rest of the necessary parts you need if aren't prepared.

You might consider 1JZ too since you can get a legitimate "everything you need" half cut or engine set and at a cheaper price. After you have a running 1J car, it would be very easy to turn it into a running 2J car from there.

Good luck.
 

Skam9685

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Yea I definately plan on researching it more before I get in over my head. The thing with getting the 1jz swap installed and running properly and then buying a 2jz engine, wouldnt that be more expensive considering I would have to by the 1jz setup with engine, rather than just getting the 2jz engine and all parts necessary?
 

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Skam9685 said:
Yea I definately plan on researching it more before I get in over my head. The thing with getting the 1jz swap installed and running properly and then buying a 2jz engine, wouldnt that be more expensive considering I would have to by the 1jz setup with engine, rather than just getting the 2jz engine and all parts necessary?


Honestly, a 1JZ and 2JZ Mk3 are very similar. Engines are interchangeable and the electronics can be too. I wouldn't say a 2JZ swap is "harder." It's just different and not as 100% straightforward as buying a 1JZ half cut. If you know what you're doing/buying, a 2JZ swap can be just as easy as a 1JZ swap. IF you know what you're doing.

I mentioned 1JZ because it's alot easier to buy a 1JZ half cut or engine set, which is basically the entire engine bay removed from the half cut, and put together a running car in as short a time as a weekend. 1JZ MK3 is a pretty straight forward swap if you buy a clip or engine set. You can't just buy a 2JZ MK3 half cut. You have to know what you're doing a little more. You would be in the same boat if you bought a 1JZ engine with just the harness and ECU. You'd be piecing together a ton of parts to finish it into a running car.

Alot of guys with 2JZs are able to do so because they know exactly what steps to take and what parts to buy. Usually because of previous experience with a JZ swapped MK3. Most of them started with a 1JZ swap at some point, or had friends go through it. For some, they can buy just a 2JZ long block with harness, ECU, and assorted accesories, know what they're doing and put together a running car. Some guys would be totally lost if they tried to put together a 2JZ or 1JZ swap from scratch.

Some guys had running 1J cars and just swapped out the long block for 2J.

There's alot of ways to put together a JZ MK3. The most striaghtforward is a bare bones half cut 1JZ swap. Some are done with an engine set. Some are done from only an engine and some electronics. Some started with Soarer engine or Aristo engine. Some started with Chaser engine. Some run the hydro fan, some run clutch fan, some run E-fan. Some run 1J harness and 1J ECU. Some run 2J harness and 2J ECU. Some run modified 7M harness. Some use Soarer ECU and harness. Some use Aristo harness, ECU. Some use standalone, custom ignition setup, etc. So on and so forth.

There's lot of different ways to do it. 1JZ and 2JZ came in a lot of cars. There's alot of different parts out there for JZ engines and if you don't know what you're buying you can end up in a world of hurt. There's alot of stories of guys buying engines or harnesses they thought were from a Supra but were actually from something else. Then they're stuck trying to retrofit a JZ swap or find the correct Supra parts instead.


sorry for rambling...
 
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Skam9685

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No problem bro. Its good information to know and look into. Thanks for the insight and I will def. look into it. It seems as though what you said just buying a 1jz clip would be easier cuz everything will be there right in front of me and show me how it was setup if I go that route and then 2jz. Thanks again.
 

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Skam9685 said:
No problem bro. Its good information to know and look into. Thanks for the insight and I will def. look into it. It seems as though what you said just buying a 1jz clip would be easier cuz everything will be there right in front of me and show me how it was setup if I go that route and then 2jz. Thanks again.


Without a doubt a JZA70 clip would be the most straightforward way to achieve a swap. 95% of what you need is there. All accesories, intercooler, resevoirs, electronics, everything.

I tried to separate easier from straightforward 'cause to those that have been around for awhile, a 2JZ swap is just as easy to them. It's just for the new guy that hasn't done much JZ work or has that JZ experience, a JZA70 clip or engine set is what I think the best way to go. Not because I like 1JZ more than 2JZ but simply because the 1JZ came in a Supra and is the closest to a complete bolt on affair. The swap would be no more involved than a 7M-GE to GTE swap. Once you were familiar with what's interchangeable between 1JZ and 2JZ, it would be much easier for you to change your setup to whatever engine, ECU, harness, or fan you choose.

You may want to talk to shops or people that specialize in MK3 swaps too. I don't trust an engine importer's knowledge of the differences between all the different JZ engines, harnesses, accesories, etc.


Ok, I think I've rambled on enough... :chicken:
 

aphxero

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I dont know how they are now but when I lived in tampa they were sheisty as hell and did some really shitty work IMO. I've laughed at a few of their swaps. But I haven't lived there in a year. Maybe they cleaned up their act.

Be cautious I guess,

My $ .02
 

supradaddy0803

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I remember doing my 1jz swap haveing the clip right there made it so much easier. The only part that took me a while was the wireing under the dash and even that didnt take very long. As for the price 2jz's are always expensive next to a 1jz and all the major difference that I have seen is 1/2 liter less and a little less horsepower. The horsepower thing is easily overcome too so that isnt a issue.
 

drewgo

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Pound for pound and 550rwhp you'll get more for your money with a 1j, above that go 2j but expect to start digging deap into your pockets.