FFIM 1jz and 2jz on 7mgte

[kwnate]

And for all you other guys wondering: 20 X $700 = $14,000 You figure, the short runner intakes run about $800, its not too bad... However, with Ron's kits, you get the alternator drop down bracket...

Ron should charge more... He's too nice.

 

[Enraged]

indeed, lesser manifolds for other cars sell for $1000+

 

[gixxer750]

The materials just to make a good FFIM are 250-300 bucks... I've built a few, it is NOT cheap. Figure that in with 20-30 hours of labor in front of a hot welder with aluminum flakes all over you from machining...

Ron's Manifolds are a STEAL. Thats why I don't make them... it's not worth it for profit, because ron sells them so cheap

 

[TurboStreetCar]

though his(rons) manifolds are perfect works of art, this is a thick flange with holes in it. theres no comparason of rons manifolds to this adapter. and as Adam posted in his thread about this, the piece of aluminum cost him 50 bucks, and it had enough to make 2 adapters.

so material cost would be 25 bucks a piece, the rest would be to make a cad drawing and swap aluminum in the CNC or whatever someone ends up using to make them.

Reign said 700 x 20 is 14grand, this adapter shouldn't cost more then 250 tops to the buyer. thats 5000 tops to the person to produce 20, there cost of materials bieng 500 bucks (for all 20) that leaves 4500 bucks to draw a cad file and have them machined.

 

[Enraged]

likely the reason for the high rate, is if a shop doesn't want the job, they will quote a huge number. if you still hire them for the job, it's worth it for them.

i think what many don't seem to realize is this part isn't a simple flat flange like a T4 flange... it's not a simple setup...

 

[cuel]

4 of the 6 2jz ports aren't round, and the ones that are are of larger diameter than the 7m lowers. I understand your point about optimum performance, but half-assing this would result in a considerable loss in performance. I'm not one to do something like that just to make a quick buck.

Thank You
Someone would see "7m to 2JZ ffim conversion," and think they were buying a performance part. I would, and I'd be pissed if the runners didn't flow smoothly.

 

[adampecush]

Ron should charge more... He's too nice.

for the complexity of the manifolds, the quality, and the fact that they are american made, he must really love making these manifolds and helping the community, because with the price is ridiculously cheap. Props to him for that for sure.

As for the machine shop charges, there is so much oilfield work here, shops can pretty much charge what they want - and they do.

 

[adampecush]

Reign said 700 x 20 is 14grand, this adapter shouldn't cost more then 250 tops to the buyer. thats 5000 tops to the person to produce 20, there cost of materials bieng 500 bucks (for all 20) that leaves 4500 bucks to draw a cad file and have them machined.

The price of getting parts produced is easy to speculate sitting at a computer. Actually going out and doing things gives you a much better understanding of the way things are. If you can make a quality piece for a purchase price of $250, good on you, and go right ahead. I'll reiterate; the adapter I fabricated was taken to 3 machine shops, 700 each for a run of 20 was the cheapest price I got, with an experienced machinist looking at the piece. There is really nothing i can do about the price short of casting the piece. I hand made (rough end milling, hand finishing with a die grinder and a drill press) the adapter I am going to be using and it took me no less than 10-15 hours to get it right. While my piece is no where near one of Ron's manifolds, it is far from a plate with holes drilled through it. Like I said, if you are complaining about the price I was quoted being to high , buy yourself some 3/4" thick 6160 stock, a 7m and a 2jz plenum gasket, and go nuts.

 

[TurboStreetCar]

Like i said, i dont have the time or resources or i would, bottom line is its a basic piece for a CNC machine, its not like its one of those engine blocks or turbine impellers in the 5 axis CNC videos that probably took weeks or months of programming. Im not complaing of the price bieng high, it just doesnt make sence its that high when ron actually BUILDS, COMPLETE, manifolds for that price.

Cruel: the point of this isnt for real true performance, your using a stock jz manifold with an adapter to bolt onto stock runners, you cant buy this with the mindset of getting the performance of a Ron.R. its an affordable FFIM to clean up the engine bay and simplify IC pipe routing. Id be suprised if swapping to this setup in perfect form gained over 5 horsepower.

 

[JustinGotA1j]

I think a guy on the forums by the name of gonzytunning or something along those lines is selling a ffim for a 7m that uses the 1j upper part. maybe check it out in the for sale section

 

[Enraged]

bottom line is its a basic piece for a CNC machine,

it is not a simple part, that is one of the reasons for the cost. it is not a basic 2D flange, it requires lofting to match the 7M lower to JZ upper.... I considered making one of these while I was in school with full access to the CNC shop, and it's just not worth the time when you can buy a complete manifold from someone like Ron or others.

 

[adampecush]

it is not a simple part, that is one of the reasons for the cost. it is not a basic 2D flange, it requires lofting to match the 7M lower to JZ upper.... I considered making one of these while I was in school with full access to the CNC shop, and it's just not worth the time when you can buy a complete manifold from someone like Ron or others.

:word8kn:
thank you.

 

[tte]

Well I could do it...Program it myself and use my friend's CNC to do the job really fast. Then get another friend of mine who builds race cars for a living
to tig weld it....But I just dont have the time right now.


Cheers,
Roy

 

[KicknAsphlt]

it has nothing to do with clearances. Align a 2j upper and a 7m lower manifold and you will see that it is not as simple as you think. The 6 7m ports are all in a straight line, while the middle two 2j ports are lower than the outside ones. As a result, for smooth flow, the holes in the flange require concave and convex surfaces, which are apparently extremely difficult and time consuming for a CNC machine to reproduce. I was also told it would cost approximately 2-3k to translate the prototype flange to a cnc file.

Things seem like they should be cheap and easy to make until you actually do it. The only way to make this viable would be to have it cast, and even then, machine finishing would be required. It is probably easier for me to make them by hand then go through the trouble of getting them produced, but honestly, for the time it takes to make them, it is not worth it for me.

Buddy of mine in my truck club has a scanner for shit like this. He might be able to scan it into a file for you if you want. I'd have to talk to him first, I can't remember the file type it saves it as...plus gotta check his schedule. If you're interested though, I could at least ask him. He lives up in the Seattle/Bremerton area.