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Im really not trying to single you out here, just making an observation about a number of people who have expressed ill will about how this forum is handled. How exactly do you see the mods being part of the problem? OT is OT...lets ignore that section for now. I would like to see one post that illustrates your point.
And you bring up a great point. If you dont like it here you are free to remove the link from your favorites or delete your acct. No one forces anyone to come here.
I think we all (myself included) can cut back on the chatter, search more, post constructive or dont post, and generally take it upon ourselves to clean up the crap and stow the drama. Lets start now.
And you bring up a great point. If you dont like it here you are free to remove the link from your favorites or delete your acct. No one forces anyone to come here.
I think we all (myself included) can cut back on the chatter, search more, post constructive or dont post, and generally take it upon ourselves to clean up the crap and stow the drama. Lets start now.
theWeezL said:
Because OT is brought into non-OT areas by many of the mods. This sets a precident for everyone else to do it. Maybe you haven't noticed it, but that's kinda the whole point of this thread, had you read it. If you want an example of it, click on any random thread. It's not that hard to find the threads filled with crap.
Do you realy need me to post links and say what mods are doing it the worst? Or can you just look at any random thread in the non-OT sections and figure that one out for yourself. Really, it's not that hard. There are two threads in general now about this very issue. So even though you might not be able to see it, others certainly can and are seeing the issue.
Wow, really? Kinda like how I just said in my last post I don't come here much anymore because of it? Anything else you wanna tell me I should do that I'm already doing and said I have already been doing?
are you still here? lol
dude I said I wasnt trying to single you out, you still took it personally. I assure you I didnt mean it that way. And yes maybe Im just dence but I dont see what you are talking about. also the second thread about this was started by someone who has been banned and that thread was closed.
The mods have a hard job. I was talking with RM about this and I dont know how they put up with us really. Like I said, I would prefer to see more bans here. I would also like to see SM take the stance that SF does regarding Mods. Call out a mod there and see how long you have posting privilages. They have a hard enough job, let not make it harder by blaming the mods for the problems here. Like I said, if you dont like how its run here, you are free to leave and NOT COME BACK!
dude I said I wasnt trying to single you out, you still took it personally. I assure you I didnt mean it that way. And yes maybe Im just dence but I dont see what you are talking about. also the second thread about this was started by someone who has been banned and that thread was closed.
The mods have a hard job. I was talking with RM about this and I dont know how they put up with us really. Like I said, I would prefer to see more bans here. I would also like to see SM take the stance that SF does regarding Mods. Call out a mod there and see how long you have posting privilages. They have a hard enough job, let not make it harder by blaming the mods for the problems here. Like I said, if you dont like how its run here, you are free to leave and NOT COME BACK!
The mods do a good job here, and SM is still the best place on the internet to talk about Supras.
Not being able to question a mod just makes a situation where mods go out of control. See: Supraforums. That's the last thing this place needs.
I know that mods have a hard job. But if you're contributing to a problem, it doesnt matter if you are mod, admin, or regular member; you need your peepee stomped on. It's not that hard too see who is crapping up a thread. It's not that hard to see who is causing tension in the forums.
Not saying they are doing a bad job overall. Usualy it's pretty good. But lately they haven't. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist...
I know that mods have a hard job. But if you're contributing to a problem, it doesnt matter if you are mod, admin, or regular member; you need your peepee stomped on. It's not that hard too see who is crapping up a thread. It's not that hard to see who is causing tension in the forums.
Not saying they are doing a bad job overall. Usualy it's pretty good. But lately they haven't. Otherwise this thread wouldn't exist...
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theWeezL said:
Why don't you go there and stay then? That is the worst proposal yet. What if the mod said he hated Jews? Your banned for questioning them? Get a clue.
Dunno, me thinks too, the past month is horrible...I remember, when there were threads about how someone loves SM so much and stuff.... I liked to be here... Now it seems just plain boring, nothing going around. Just like encino car forums. Quietness and sadness.... IMO
Nick M said:
I never said I liked SF. In fact I cant stand the place. BUT, they do have some rules that make sense and keep some order around there.
If a mod said he hated jews I would say he is entitled to his opinion. If he got out of line and said something like "all jews should be shot on sight", then I would hope the other mods stepped in and dealt with the situation. Secondly, if a mod or ANY other person says something that you find offensive, take it to PM's. There is absolutely no reason in the world that your personal battles should be aired in public and allowed to clutter up a tech site like SM.
I happen to dissagree with some of the mods here on issues unrelated to Supra/automotive tech. I keep it to myself or take it to PM's...more people should do the same. I also happen to have very strong personal opinions about certain people here who post flame bait in OT. Thats why I no longer frequent OT...more people should do the same. If people would just start following the rules, this site would be less cluttered, more useful, and have a whole lot less drama.
Thats the last thing Im gonna say on this subject.
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Hope no one minds my 2 cents. Anyhow, I am a member myself of a few other forums, 2 of them local here in Puerto Rico. From all of them (I think like 6 or 7), this is the one that I specifically visit to learn. It is maybe one of the 7 I view the least, but not because I don't like it.
In fact, it's because of how much respect and of how proud I am to be a member of this "family". Sure, it is also a given bonus that you are all fellow Supra owners, but I do also belong to a group of Toyota owners here in PR, and some of us own Supras. It's still not the same though. I have seen my share of the jokes here in SM, and some I don't understand cuz I haven't had the chance of getting to know the guys that well here. Still, it's nice that I have always been able to get a number of straight answers to my questions each time, even if some people do joke a little bit.
I am sorry that I haven't seen any excess "inside jokes" around here, but I know what shaeff is talking about. One of the other forums I am a member of from here in PR, I have stopped myself from visiting cuz of the excessive..... "misbehavior" and "un-professionalism". It's sad that some of the members there are actual speed shop owners, and they tend to be some of the ones that go around with inside jokes or inappropiate jokes for the sections they are being posted in. I'm not saying that "black-level" jokes are bad, I am a huge fan of them, but not when being used in the wrong place, at the wrong time. It got to a point where all I did there was help out someone, just to have 5 other guys take over my explanation and just fuck around without giving a hand at all.
As for the whole ordeal of people asking questions and not trying to figure things out for themselves, I think I'll use myself as an example. It wasn't up until a week ago that I finally got a computer back at home, so I didn't have the freedom of an online TSRM (except at college, which doesn't help much) for.... 3 years now I believe. So, to save myself time and hassle, I would simply ask if I was doing something wrong or something. On other occations, it's really nice to see who has "invented the wheel" out there and who has taken part in modifying it. It's nice to ask sometimes just to see what great ideas others have come up with, and maybe come up with ideas of my own (just yesterday I learned about using the NA PS reservoir on my turbo engine with an FFIM). You "elders" should be proud that us younger guys like to ask you things at times, cuz we look up to you.
That's it for my opinion.
In fact, it's because of how much respect and of how proud I am to be a member of this "family". Sure, it is also a given bonus that you are all fellow Supra owners, but I do also belong to a group of Toyota owners here in PR, and some of us own Supras. It's still not the same though. I have seen my share of the jokes here in SM, and some I don't understand cuz I haven't had the chance of getting to know the guys that well here. Still, it's nice that I have always been able to get a number of straight answers to my questions each time, even if some people do joke a little bit.
I am sorry that I haven't seen any excess "inside jokes" around here, but I know what shaeff is talking about. One of the other forums I am a member of from here in PR, I have stopped myself from visiting cuz of the excessive..... "misbehavior" and "un-professionalism". It's sad that some of the members there are actual speed shop owners, and they tend to be some of the ones that go around with inside jokes or inappropiate jokes for the sections they are being posted in. I'm not saying that "black-level" jokes are bad, I am a huge fan of them, but not when being used in the wrong place, at the wrong time. It got to a point where all I did there was help out someone, just to have 5 other guys take over my explanation and just fuck around without giving a hand at all.
As for the whole ordeal of people asking questions and not trying to figure things out for themselves, I think I'll use myself as an example. It wasn't up until a week ago that I finally got a computer back at home, so I didn't have the freedom of an online TSRM (except at college, which doesn't help much) for.... 3 years now I believe. So, to save myself time and hassle, I would simply ask if I was doing something wrong or something. On other occations, it's really nice to see who has "invented the wheel" out there and who has taken part in modifying it. It's nice to ask sometimes just to see what great ideas others have come up with, and maybe come up with ideas of my own (just yesterday I learned about using the NA PS reservoir on my turbo engine with an FFIM). You "elders" should be proud that us younger guys like to ask you things at times, cuz we look up to you.
That's it for my opinion.
I think the mods do a good job, no other site I know of will let so much go on as this site. My sig alone would get me banned for life over at SF, here anyone can advertise their website or parts they sell. i don't mind a few jokes now and then, but in the last month or two it seams that usless jiber jabber and post whoring fill too many threads. Also too much thread jacking.
I would rather see a new guy ask a question that has been asked a million times, than to read 20 worthless post in a thread where the poster is asking for help. Thread hyjacking, post whoring, poor information, sarcasm, curse words, and flaming. IN that order, are the worst problems any site can have.
This is a great website, lets keep it that way.
I would rather see a new guy ask a question that has been asked a million times, than to read 20 worthless post in a thread where the poster is asking for help. Thread hyjacking, post whoring, poor information, sarcasm, curse words, and flaming. IN that order, are the worst problems any site can have.
This is a great website, lets keep it that way.
Can't be bothered to read all 6 pages here..And not that I post all that often anyways, but it's a pretty stupid idea. If somebody is in a thread getting free advice/information, why are they bitching about some casual conversation? What is this, a business? No, it's supposed to be a community - Key word being "supposed".
mc_h said:
did i say that we didn't want casual conversation? if so, please state where i said: "you can't have a casual conversation"
you can't find it, can you? i really don't want to come across as an asshole, but you said it yourself.
mc_h said:
exactly. so how exactly do you know what i'm talking about? you don't. you're jumping to conclusions. i know you from SF. i've seen your posts. i respect you as a member, and as a person. but if you don't have an idea what's going on here, then just don't post about it. plain and simple.
i'm sure i speak for the other mods/admins when i say this- i don't mind casual conversation. it's fine. what we're trying to put a stop to is the mindless bullshit that inflates the threads to over 3 pages of crap that nobody understands except a select few people. that's the bullshit we're trying to get away from.
this is a community. i'd like to think that SM is a tightly knit community with a few threads hanging loose. it's those threads we need to take care of...
theKnifeArtist said:
why is that? care to explain? there's a suggestion box for a reason. use it if you feel so inclined. i mean, what use is complaining if you don't tell anyone what you're complaining about?
mattjk said:
that's a bad attitude. not everyone is as gifted as you, matt. have some consideration. have some respect for your fellow supra owners. everyone needs to learn, and if the information is out there, then let them learn how they want. who are you to tell them how they should aquire their knowledge?
mattjk said:
excellent. but nobody needs their intelligence insulted. i don't care who you are. i never saw your face, and chances are i never, ever will. what i care about is the online persona that you present to your fellow supra owners. and if you're an asshole, you're going to start to be treated as such.
mattjk said:
who's kissing who's ass? did i miss something? although i agree that people shouldn't be spoon fed, lots of times they're just looking for ideas or thoughts to base their designs off of. you can't re-invent the wheel, but you can make it roll more smoothly.
-shaeff
i didnt even read the thread. go ahead and tell me to, but i'd rather not waste my time.shaeff said:
just thought this whole fussing and little hissy fit bullshit was silly.
21st century internet forum bickering:nono:
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Let me start out by saying I don't consider myself a "vet" by ANY means. I've been here a good while, and I still learn at LEAST 1 new thing every day from this site.
Next, I 100% agree with most of what Shaeff was/is saying. Having a conversation is 1 thing. Posts less than 20 characters long are usually just junk though. I feel that once the person has acquired the information they are looking for, and ONLY after this point, should the useless jaw-flapping ensue. If you don't have an answer for the person posting the question, don't post yet. Like someone has already said, over half the threads on this board have become invaded with junk spam talk.
Lastly, to everyone bitching about how the mods do what they do; how about YOU do it for a day. (As far as I know) They don't get PAID to do this, they do it because they love the community, the family. So if you're unhappy, please leave--it would be less clutter on the forums.
In closing I'd like to say thank you to all of the mods for doing what you do. To the admins, thank you even more. To SupraCentral...well I really don't even know what to say to you except thank you a TON for giving most of the members here a great place to learn, post ideas, and barter. To my fellow members who post great replies to even the stupidest of questions, thank you as well.
~BrandoN~
Next, I 100% agree with most of what Shaeff was/is saying. Having a conversation is 1 thing. Posts less than 20 characters long are usually just junk though. I feel that once the person has acquired the information they are looking for, and ONLY after this point, should the useless jaw-flapping ensue. If you don't have an answer for the person posting the question, don't post yet. Like someone has already said, over half the threads on this board have become invaded with junk spam talk.
Lastly, to everyone bitching about how the mods do what they do; how about YOU do it for a day. (As far as I know) They don't get PAID to do this, they do it because they love the community, the family. So if you're unhappy, please leave--it would be less clutter on the forums.
In closing I'd like to say thank you to all of the mods for doing what you do. To the admins, thank you even more. To SupraCentral...well I really don't even know what to say to you except thank you a TON for giving most of the members here a great place to learn, post ideas, and barter. To my fellow members who post great replies to even the stupidest of questions, thank you as well.
~BrandoN~
mattjk said:
I know i rarely post, but i've been reading SM basically forever. I bought a parked car since 95. Didn't know much or anything at all except the basics. But seriously, its gotten to the point where everybody just wants that quick answer to their question. Just like that guy said. I dont have time looking up an answer when i can get it in a couple minutes eventhough its been covered 10times or more. Enstead of just going out there and try to solve your problem and see what happens. If it fixes it good. If not... Search! easy as that. Take another stab at it tommorrow and keep on chuckin!. Then after some serious effort of not finding the fault. Make a thread. This forum is been up for years and about every inch of an MK3 is covered in SM. People just need to do some hard searching, look up manuals and etc.
Another key or solution; we have the AIM chatroom. Why not bring all that post whoring there? Am not saying everybody has aim. But if we have more people contribute to that( knowledgeable*sp* or not) it would help out significantly. The people that are in a hurry, can get all the answers there and we won't have so many same threads.I just feel mattjk has a good point just like the mods have a good point also. Anyways resolve the problem as admin seems best. Am behind it either way. Just want to be clear. This is just an oponion and some people mind find it stupid but some wont.
I think it was getting way out of hand...
I'm here to learn and to help people who know less than me learn about thier supras. The rest of the shit I can deal without. I think the mods are doing a great job. I wouldn't have done much different if I were in thier position.
I'm here to learn and to help people who know less than me learn about thier supras. The rest of the shit I can deal without. I think the mods are doing a great job. I wouldn't have done much different if I were in thier position.
theKnifeArtist said:
exactly. so how can you pass judgement on something you just admitted you read nothing about? THINK before you post, man. come on. if all this hissy bullshit fighting is silly, then DO something about it! the moderators can't control every aspect of the site every minute of the day!
a good way to put the shit to an end would be to step in. moderators get elected by judgement of character. who knows, if you step in and mediate between people- put the arguement to rest, you could be kept in mind. this goes for anybody.
turbo. targa. life. said:
seriously. we've been overwhelmed with weeding out bullshit posts and whatnot, useless banter, and straight up post whoring. supracentral deleted something like 90 posts in ONE thread! ALL post whoring! that's ridiculous! it absoultely ruined the thread! and we don't get paid. we moderate for the love of the community, the car, keep the peace, and to help people learn. that's what we're here for.
gixxer750 said:
thank you! the reason i joined was to learn about the car. i still learn new things every single day. i'll never say i know everything about anything. i never expect people to bow down to me. all i expect is RESPECT. to be treated as an equal. i'm not saying i know a crapload about our cars. i still have a lot to learn like many others, but what knowledge i do have, i'll continute to pass on with a smile on my face.
-shaeff
You know what I do find annoying sometimes? Most of the things, or something related to, a person's question is somewhere around the forum. Problem is that most are hard to find thanks to the topics given (ie: little help please!, who would know what that's for?).blackgamer16 said:
True, you could make it so that the search returns the posts instead of the threads, but sometimes even that doesn't help one bit, specially with a lot of the things that shaeff says that goes on.
I have had trouble myself searching a few times.
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