Electric Supercharger

suprageezer

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I did this math, if you convert 3 litres to Cubic Feet it somes out to.1059 cubic feet. If you mutiply that by 6000 for rpms it comes out to 635.66 cfm. I guess that would mean IF you had a 12 vdc fanaxial blower capable of doing that it might make a difference. Honeywell does make some fans like that used on aircraft but I would imagine the cost of the fan itself would be many times the cost on a mkiii turbo car, might even be in the range of a mk4.
 

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/elec...002QQitemZ120160152404QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

and this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/elec...002QQitemZ120160157444QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I found these today I don't know if they really work. I just bought a N/A mk3 for 500 bucks I am thinking of playing with this idea. These look a lot better quality than the other ones first posted. To me it seems like they took a 12vdc motor and mounted it on a turbo compressor housing and wheel. If the rpm could get high enough there is a possibility it could make some boost but the current draw would be ridiculous unless you could rig up something to your electrical system. You could use an ac current motor and a voltage transformer to solve that problem but that would be a hassle. Just bringing this up see if I could get some decent ideas.
 
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I have been thinking and to use the turbocharger housings and compressor wheels you would have to spin the turbine at similar rpm. There is few ac and dc motors out there that could spin at upwards of 90000 rpm similar to what a turbo makes. So in turn bolting a motor to some housings would move air but not make pressure or power. You would have to use a larger gear mounted to the motor output which connects to a small gear on the compressor drive input to get it to even spin that fast. If you could get the motor to spin sufficiently enough to spin the compressor wheel to that rpm you could make power and boost. The idea is there the execution is not. Prochargers have a similar idea but are belt driven at a certain rpm and torque and they do use gear reduction to turn the compressor wheel that fast. Sorry for the long post but im just thinking outloud. I dont laugh at the idea that a electric supercharger can make power I just dont think a leaf blower motor with a plastic wheel can. Using correct electrical components shouldnt put a drain on your system. You could use a varistor to control a high torque variable speed motor a gearset and I beleive it can be done. What do you guys think.
 

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There is only success and innovation when there is a market for the product. A good example is the electric car, 100 years after it's first initial creation the idea is making a come back. One reason I think this is so is because no research is done on the subject and some people just want to make money, they make cheap crap no one wants. This makes everyone think this idea is just stupid. It never hurts to try. I heard a bunch of bad things about the centrifugal supercharger when it was first introduced and know it is considered a pretty well accepted way to make power. A fan just moves air not compresses it and I think that is one of the problems.
 

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suprageezer said:
I think if there was a way to electrically fan force air into an automobile engine it would be common today.
i'm sure it's only uncommon because they found a better, much more efficient way to do it, using the exhaust gases from the engine to power a real turbo. :icon_bigg
 

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Im sure you are right on this I just like playing with idea to see what I can do.See if I could find an alternative to nitrous for my N/A. But the idea is geting too expensive when I could just put a turbo on it.
 

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I read that on Turbodyne and I wonder if that could actually help for turbo lag. The company has three different sized turbo pacs and one is said to be for large gasoline or diesel powered vehicles. I was searching on yahoo and came to a thread of some guy that worked for a bus service that said they tryed a model on one of them but they were too expensive to supply the whole fleet. I tried to contact them to see if they had any data or horsepower charts but no success. If they are not too expensive i will get one if I could contact them.
 

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I read that on Turbodyne and I wonder if that could actually help for turbo lag. The company has three different sized turbo pacs and one is said to be for large gasoline or diesel powered vehicles. I was searching on yahoo and came to a thread of some guy that worked for a bus service that said they tryed a model on one of them but they were too expensive to supply the whole fleet. I tried to contact them to see if they had any data or horsepower charts but no success. If they are not too expensive i will get one if I could contact them.
 

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last I knew, this was asked of the car magazines why it wasn't done...

they said the motor would have to be nearly as large as the engine and would consume massive amounts of energy. One company DOES test their roots style superchargers with a motor, and it's as large as an engine, and pulls TONS of power...

the efficency just isn't there for this to work...
 

tekdeus

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This seems like an interesting concept: a standard/electric turbo hybrid that cranks out boost at low RPM's, and the the standard turbo system works the high end. "The most obvious benefits are improved transient response, boost pressure available at low rpm and low load and greater turbo sizing flexibility - you can rely on the Dynacharger for low-end boost and you can opt for a huge compressor for strong top-end performance."

"Turbodyne Technologies Inc. is a leading engineering company in the design and development of charging technology to enhance the performance of internal combustion engines."

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The Turbodyne Dynacharger is an electric assist device that can be adapted to specific turbochargers. The Dynacharger system comprises an electronically controlled ultra high-speed brushless electric motor that's mounted between the turbine and the compressor of a conventional turbocharger, together with an electronic power and speed control system.

Electrically, the operation of the Dynacharger alternates between Motor Mode and Generator Mode. In Motor Mode, the Dynacharger provides the desired boost pressure for low speed engine acceleration. In Generator Mode, the Dynacharger utilizes the otherwise wasted surplus exhaust gas energy by using the turbine to drive the electric rotor. At full engine power, the generator can be used to slow the turbine, and in many cases alleviates the need for a wastegate."
 

Poodles

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meh... too complicated compared to variable vein technology or honda's VERY simple system of using 2 different sized turbine housings in one...
 

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Wills7MGTE said:
If turbo lag is just too much for ya get a freaking antilag system or get a life, either way this whole concept is neat on paper and absurd and retarded in real life.

If the electric antilag could work well, it would be far superior to the standard noisy turbo destroying antilag.