Eagle Rods

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Is that a stock Twisted Rod?

I can only say that assuming everything you are told by someone you are buying from as FACT, is just plain wrong. You aren't gonna find a bunch of 1500HP 7M guys in here to support anything factual either good or bad. I think Nate running them in one of the highest HP cars on here would have to be about the best info you're gonna get. I would trust them as much as any other aftermarket rod.

Dude are you for real.... with the average seller yes I'd agree with you, manufacutrer's are just a bit more reputable.? I have gotten most of all my factual data from manufacturers of their products. The manufacturers aren't just anyone. Anything they say or do to misrepresent their products and claims are illegal, and they can be held accountable "i.e. lawsuits". Sooooooo....I'd trust a manufacturer saying that they are rather than anyone sayin that they aren't without factual evidence. The goal here is to gather truthful factual information. If they over state the power of the rods power handling capeablity I don't think that it would be on purpose. Also I believe that these rods are more capeable than you or I are able to verify. Nate did make 850rwhp with these rods, which verifies that they are at least capeable of 850rwhp as a matter of factually speaking. I was wondering if we can keep opinions out of this thread and only state relevant facts to help others make a valuable choice. If these rods can handle at least 850rwhp they are better made than anyone here can verifiably deny with factual concrete evidence. I again talked to another tech today, and was told that the information on the website is infact inaccurate, and that the the rods are only effective upwards of 950 rwhp, and that the engine speeds of 8500rpms or less will help ensure a long lasting effective rod. So now we can only gather that the rods probably will not handle 1600horse power, and that the rods will at least hold 850rwhp-950 horse power.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

While i doubt they're a "crap" rod (ive used eagles in chevys before without issue), I call complete BS on the 1600hp rating. There have been a few cases of Carillo rods bending/shattering on 2js at around 1500hp. (keep in mind there can be many reasons for a rod failure...so i'm not saying carillos are at their limit at 1500 either...in fact I think Titan has made more than 1500 with carillos)

I would trust a thoroughly inspected set of eagle rods in a 7m to probably around 900whp.....after that its pauters, carillos, crowers, etc. IMO

We have a winner.....You are spot on in your evaluation and beliefs.

 

[Rennat]

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Why.....this is the kind of info I really don't want in this thread. No assumptions allowed. If you have no conclusive evidence to refute the data rendered please do NOT make inconclusive inuendo, and rhetoric based on assumption. You guys must understand that bad information does not help the community at all. So if you really don't have a matter of factual piece of information to add don't give factless assumptions based on hear say.. Hopefully this thread will help us all to look at things that are misrepresented by hear say, and misrepresented fatual data. IE Blackdevilsupra and I were the first 2 to use a gt4088. The rumor was they'd be toooo laggy. Boy waere they wrong. Now the whole community is using them because of our success. I was the first to put a 3" IC pipe on a 7m intake when the rumor was it would be laggy and unresponsive. Even when I was using the pipe, and giving factual data of throttle reponse there was still a debate. The rumor that the 7m is a terrible platform for reliable high horse power was first dispelled by Will Kneely, and Lance Wolken. Now we have Duane and Nate really pushing the boundaries. My point is that there are so many misrepresented facts that these myths become truths that hold us back from truely over coming obstacles in front of us.

umm... i said assume as i wasnt too sure. didnt realize a picture could throw off the ENTIRE forum... i dont know if you were just pissed off when you replied, but i was just wondering, as i wasnt too sure, so i ASK. if you never ask, then you never know... but whatever...

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

umm... i said assume as i wasnt too sure. didnt realize a picture could throw off the ENTIRE forum... i dont know if you were just pissed off when you replied, but i was just wondering, as i wasnt too sure, so i ASK. if you never ask, then you never know... but whatever...

I am sorry I quite wasn't understaning your point. In referrence to the picture it is in th middle. Not pissed at all just misunderstanding your quote. Again I appologize.

 

[Rennat]

its all good, i was just like wtf? haha
And i wanted to be sure, thats all.

good pictures though.
you didnt by chance weigh the rods did you?

 

[ForcedTorque]

Let me start this by saying I don'[t get Pissy, so don't take it that way PLEASE

1. You were the one posting 1600HP as fact (or should I say "tuth")

2. Brian calles BS

3. You call me out for stating exactly what you used against me (NATE)

4. You then call Brian a winner because he was RIGHT, calling your fact BS

I don't get it????????? And I'm not trying to start a fight. I just want a fair shake for making a valid point. Go ask a Ford salesman if his cars are better than a Toyota for reliability and resale value. Ford manufactures these cars, but guess what he might just tell you. i just posted some common sense

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Let me start this by saying I don'[t get Pissy, so don't take it that way PLEASE

1. You were the one posting 1600HP as fact (or should I say "tuth")

2. Brian calles BS

3. You call me out for stating exactly what you used against me (NATE)

4. You then call Brian a winner because he was RIGHT, calling your fact BS



I don't get it????????? And I'm not trying to start a fight. I just want a fair shake for making a valid point. Go ask a Ford salesman if his cars are better than a Toyota for reliability and resale value. Ford manufactures these cars, but guess what he might just tell you. i just posted some common sense

The answer to your first remark is I posted and "QUOTED" information about 1600 horse power being information given to me by a tech from eagle. Their tuth not mine. I merely stated, and asked does anyone have factual data to disclaim that bit of information, and to make conclusive factual data rather than inuendo and opinion.:nono:

You are getting Pissy...I never called Nate aginst you... you were correct. Hell I said it before you did so what the hell are you getting at. I am telling you that I would trust the word of a manufacturer over the word of anyone selling this in the street. Meaning I was not just taking some joe shmoe info as the gospel. Soooo I called eagle again, and talked to another tech that said that 1600 horse power was an inaccurate number, and I reposted this little correction quoting Brian as the one who said realisticly 900 was about as high as he believed they were good for based on his personally usage of the product. He gave conclusive info based on personal usage, and build qualifications which I cannot ignore. I just don't want inconclusive opinin being misunderstood as facts. When I was told that the previous tech gave me a wrong piece of information the only thing to do is to put in a correction, which is what I did. I didn't just make those numbers up, an that is why I posted this thread to find out the real facts. So don't you get in a pissy hissy fit and I won't either. I don't consider information from manufacturer's information as taking anyones words for information as you put it is all I am saying.:cry::aigo:

 

[Justin727]

I understand where you're comming from but I don't think eagle guys are stating their product is better than the competition...

They just stated that their rod's can hold up to the figure they said..

 

[IJ.]

I've been quoted a LOT of misinformation direct from Manufacturers in the recent past this ended up costing me a pileOcash, I tend to give facts when I post based on my own personal experience and not guesstimates.

If I don't have firsthand knowledge I try to STFU on a subject.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

I've been quoted a LOT of misinformation direct from Manufacturers in the recent past this ended up costing me a pileOcash, I tend to give facts when I post based on my own personal experience and not guesstimates.

If I don't have firsthand knowledge I try to STFU on a subject.

Agreed...
I have mostly gotten 99% accurate information from the people that manufacture a prduct that I have talked to regarding their products Ian, and I feel fortunate based on your reults. The eagle tech gave me this inormation, and I posted it to find out who has factual information to refute this. This thread was posted for people like you said with real actual data about how much this rod can handle rather than guestimates to help render how effective, or ineffective the rods are. My posting this information is by no way inferring that I know factually that it is correct or incorrect. Thats why I sm asking the community. Tomorrow I will call again to see if I get another claim to power capeablities or if the 950 horse power claim by the last rep is accurate or not. I merely posted information from a tech rendered to me rom Eagle. Again conclusively Nate so far has made 850rwhp with them which is above the 700+100/150 information that is floating out there. Brian says that if you want to make 900+RWHP look to another rod which has made this information. I agreed and qouted him on his accuracy on this statement.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Here we go again....I decided to talk t another tech tonight just a few minutes ago, and I was told by a tech named Alan that there is a drag racing supra using alcohol fuel using the this rod. The tech wouldn't say where, or who it was. He also said that the rods will handle 1500 horse power for sure. Soooo......... 2 techs say at least 1500 horse power, and the one that says 950 horse power was actually a sales rep, whm the last tech said probably read the rating in a 4 cylinder toyota on that same page. Go figure...anyone else want to call and ask for tech support to get yet another answer. Again this is information QUOTED to me from Eagle themselves. We conclusively only have Nate as an 850rwhp referrence. The tech told me they don't make them to handle just 950 horsepower for over 6 cylinders unless they were going in a 4 banga.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

How many people have broken eagle rods? Both 7M or 2J?

What happened?

In a nut shell this is what this thread is asking?

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

If you think we had a misinformed spirited thread read these. So far it seems that some people have made 1000rwhp with eagles in a 2jzgte. This is with the same type of rod that is advertised on their site. It seems 2js have made 1000rwhp with eagle rods from what I have foind on S/F.


http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=444991

http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462929&highlight=most+power+on+eagle+rods

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434321&highlight=eagle+rods

 

[suprarich]

I believe the eagle rod made for the 2jz is stronger than the 7m rod. The 7m rod is longer also, making is less rigid. All new eagle rods have very good weight matching and 3/8" arp 2000 bolts. No one I know, has ever broke an eagle rod, DUE TO THE FAULT OF THE ROD, in a 7m. I do not believe the real world limit of a new style eagle rod, for the 7m, has been found yet. I also do not believe that eagle has any real test data for a 7m rod. They may base the limit they state on similar constructed rods. But each application will have its own unique hp limit. Lets just say... that untill someone with over 1000 rwhp 7m breaks a eagle rod, and is not the rods fault, that the limit is unknown, but at least 900hp.

I would trust an eagle rod in my own 7m for intermitent 1000hp use. For 1000+ used often, I would use pauters.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

I believe the eagle rod made for the 2jz is stronger than the 7m rod. The 7m rod is longer also, making is less rigid. All new eagle rods have very good weight matching and 3/8" arp 2000 bolts. No one I know, has ever broke an eagle rod, DUE TO THE FAULT OF THE ROD, in a 7m. I do not believe the real world limit of a new style eagle rod, for the 7m, has been found yet. I also do not believe that eagle has any real test data for a 7m rod. They may base the limit they state on similar constructed rods. But each application will have its own unique hp limit. Lets just say... that untill someone with over 1000 rwhp 7m breaks a eagle rod, and is not the rods fault, that the limit is unknown, but at least 900hp.

I would trust an eagle rod in my own 7m for intermitent 1000hp use. For 1000+ used often, I would use pauters.

The 7m rods are .165" longer than the 2jzgte rod from eagle, and they weigh more. Would'nt that .165" and the extra weight make the 7m rod as stout as the 2J rod Rich? In other words would .165 of an inch make the 2j rod that much stronger than the 7m rod.

The 7m rod is 5.984" long and weigh 615grams and the 2j tod is 5.819" and weighs 585grams

 

[suprarich]

That extra weight looks to be just in the lenght. They look very similar to hold both in your hand. I have a set of each, and are nearly identical. Like I said, I would have no problem ever using a 7m eagle rod. For the money, they are even better. I have a project 7m that I am building now with eagle rods, that I hope to pit over 1000hp.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

That extra weight looks to be just in the lenght. They look very similar to hold both in your hand. I have a set of each, and are nearly identical. Like I said, I would have no problem ever using a 7m eagle rod. For the money, they are even better. I have a project 7m that I am building now with eagle rods, that I hope to pit over 1000hp.

As always thanks for your valuable input Rich.:biglaugh: