I have searched a little bit on this with nothing coming up. Who runs stock CSI with E85? Anything recommended to be done before an e85 conversion to the CSI?
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E85 and CSI question.
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Why would you run the csi if your running e85. obviously you would be on a standalone. So just remove it and block it off.
I am this person 
Obviously, we needn't to be standalone to use E85. We need extra fueling (bigger injectors), and a piggyback (or daughter board, or standalone) to fine tune. Best if used with a Ford or GM flexfuel sensor so we can tune accuratly.
I will continue to use CSI. E85 also needs more fuel at cold start.
Moreover, I will modify the system and supply fresh unleaded fuel to the CSI, to help cranking at less than 10°C. CSI is temp and time controlled, I don't remember stock values.
Obviously, we needn't to be standalone to use E85. We need extra fueling (bigger injectors), and a piggyback (or daughter board, or standalone) to fine tune. Best if used with a Ford or GM flexfuel sensor so we can tune accuratly.
I will continue to use CSI. E85 also needs more fuel at cold start.
Moreover, I will modify the system and supply fresh unleaded fuel to the CSI, to help cranking at less than 10°C. CSI is temp and time controlled, I don't remember stock values.
rpk2012;2020684 said:
A better idea is reverse the ratio to where it needs to be if you are having trouble starting.
Rollus;2020729 said:
Gasoline. 10% alcohol, as opposed to 85%. Higher BTU content. Unless you can rewrite the TCCS program to be like Ford EEC-IV. Which has no CSI, but runs much richer when the IAT and ECT are equal (cold start).
Sorry I don't get you here.
No matter how you richen the mixture (Piggyback, TCCS with daughter board ho yes, Pi and I are working on flex fuel with TCCS), less than 10°C is less than 10°C.
So you propose to flush the tank when outside temperature is low??
No matter how you richen the mixture (Piggyback, TCCS with daughter board ho yes, Pi and I are working on flex fuel with TCCS), less than 10°C is less than 10°C.
So you propose to flush the tank when outside temperature is low??
I was referring to not using E85. The subsidy will end in time then market forces will change the price drastically. For a fuel with lower BTU content.Rollus;2020827 said:
Ha ok, I get your idea now ;-)
We haven't race fuel here at the pump in France, and E85 is then awesome for us, because we produce 0 liter of oil.
Plus my engine is nearly a TRD Group A , and compression ratio is at 9.5:1 at no boost. I need this fuel
We haven't race fuel here at the pump in France, and E85 is then awesome for us, because we produce 0 liter of oil.
Plus my engine is nearly a TRD Group A , and compression ratio is at 9.5:1 at no boost. I need this fuel
Rollus;2020967 said:
Alcohol is a class here in NHRA. I get why people want to use it. In the US, they are paying a much lower price at the pump than they would with C16 because the tax payers have to pay a big price of the production. That is the subsidy. Ultimately, you do what you have to do. I simply don't use an aggressive tune because I run 93 (R + M 2).
Nick M;2020915 said:
So we should all not use E85 just because you happen to think it's a bad idea and it might disappear in a few years? For a fuel with a higher octane rating?
SideWinderGX;2021043 said:
This is what I get, that plus flushing the tank when temperatures are in the cold start problem range.
Rollus;2021052 said:
We're on the same page then. Nick has this thing where he jumps into random threads, and despite being intelligent and knowledgeable about a wide range of subjects, chooses to use the forum as his soapbox instead of helping.
What exactly are you using for your ECU/daughterboard situation? Are you able to modify the cold start table (or any tables for that matter)?
I use a 3p prototype TCCS.
I also run a GM flexfuel sensor read by an Arduino micro controller which give me ethanol content and temperature over a serial port.
Then, I open Pi software, and change the overall injector scaling, implemented by 3p14 it allows to scale according to lex afm vs stock, installed injectors vs stock, and ethanol content versus unleaded.
Some day, this will be automated ;-)
At the moment it's working on the shelf. It will be tested when my mechanic came back from holiday, we failed to set cam timing (i think) before he left, and my car doesn't start and feels like to much air (fresh rebuild)
I also run a GM flexfuel sensor read by an Arduino micro controller which give me ethanol content and temperature over a serial port.
Then, I open Pi software, and change the overall injector scaling, implemented by 3p14 it allows to scale according to lex afm vs stock, installed injectors vs stock, and ethanol content versus unleaded.
Some day, this will be automated ;-)
At the moment it's working on the shelf. It will be tested when my mechanic came back from holiday, we failed to set cam timing (i think) before he left, and my car doesn't start and feels like to much air (fresh rebuild)