Dual stock intercoolers

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tte

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This is for whasian

LOl...Since you are a newbie you have no idea who the guys posting here are and how much knowledge they have on our cars.

I understand that you would like to run dual stock intercoolers and thats your choice.

The guys who posted in this thread are trying to tell you that doing it that way is inefficient....More piping...more resistance and so on.

The best solution that would save u time and money and give you better performance would be a good aftermarket intercooler. With all the extra piping and clamps you would have to buy, it would be enough for a aftermarket intercooler on ebay.

Let me give you a very simple example.

Example:

You want to drive from town A to town B in the least time possible.

Option 1 : Use the freeway where the roads long and straight.
Option 2 : Use the back roads when its windy, mountainous, lots of curves and corners.

Which option do you think would get you to Town B the fastest?

Option 1 would because the roads are long and straight and you could speed.

With Option 2 you could speed on the straights but would need to slow down for the curves and bends, be it a right hand bend or left hand bend or u bend.

The same goes for air. It doesnt care if it has to turn right or left or make a u turn..As soon as you add a bend you lose psi at the bend. So if you have more bends it means more pressure loss and by the time it gets to the engine you would have lost quite a bit.

I think Corky Bell said in his book.." For every 90 degree bend, there is a 1 pis drop"

Think about your setup and search on this site and see why and what the top guys are doing successfully.

Hope this helps you understand how air travels in tubes.

Cheers,
Roy
 
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IJ.

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JohnRardin said:
Yea I never wanted anyone to think that id want to run 2 intercoolers in parallel to the engine. Sure that would technically cool it twice as much, but the only reason I concidered this is because it should in theory cool at least as good as 1 intercooler but have half of the restriction because only half of the air travels through each IC. I doubt Ill do this mod, but there are definate possibilities for improvement using this mod, so why not consider it?
John:Because there are much better alternatives available now at very reasonable prices that will be much more effecient.

Back in the day where a good IC could run into the $1000's I could see making the effort to find a budget solution but not now.
 

JohnRardin

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tte said:
This is for whasian

LOl...Since you are a newbie you have no idea who the guys posting here are and how much knowledge they have on our cars.

I understand that you would like to run dual stock intercoolers and thats your choice.

The guys who posted in this thread are trying to tell you that doing it that way is inefficient....More piping...more resistance and so on.

The best solution that would save u time and money and give you better performance would be a good aftermarket intercooler. With all the extra piping and clamps you would have to buy, it would be enough for a aftermarket intercooler on ebay.

Let me give you a very simple example.

Example:

You want to drive from town A to town B in the least time possible.

Option 1 : Use the freeway where the roads long and straight.
Option 2 : Use the back roads when its windy, mountainous, lots of curves and corners.

Which option do you think would get you to Town B the fastest?

Option 1 would because the roads are long and straight and you could speed.

With Option 2 you could speed on the straights but would need to slow down for the curves and bends, be it a right hand bend or left hand bend or u bend.

The same goes for air. It doesnt care if it has to turn right or left or make a u turn..As soon as you add a bend you lose psi at the bend. So if you have more bends it means more pressure loss and by the time it gets to the engine you would have lost quite a bit.

I think Corky Bell said in his book.." For every 90 degree bend, there is a 1 pis drop"

Think about your setup and search on this site and see why and what the top guys are doing successfully.

Hope this helps you understand how air travels in tubes.

Cheers,
Roy

Well now that I understand how air travels in tubes I can explain that my intentions werent to add tremendous amounts of piping....much less a 90 degree angle...True it would be extremely ghetto and in no manner anywhere near as efficient or logical as an aftermarket IC would be....I just wanted to see if it really is possible to cut the restriction in half by branching out at the inlet and outlet to another IC a few inches away. Maybe I'll actually attempt the setup and do some tests to prove if Im even somewhat right. I know that it could only be an improvement, unless, (like everyone keeps saying) you add lots of complex piping. But it seems pretty apparent to me that if you could create piping that worked that was only a few extra inches over stock it has potential to be twice as good as stock. Im not a noob at this....so dont think that I havent concidered the possible downfalls and the superiority of an aftermarket IC, I just enjoy doing my own custom mods. I would never dream of making this a permanent setup, Im just curious.
 

bigaaron

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Whasian said:
Maybe you should find another forum to post you ignorant claims on, it's not always about being cheap when it comes to modifying a car. It's about finding new ways to get something to work better... How do you think people found out they could use mk4 brake calipers on thier cars, or were about to using different sensors from other cars, or (how about this one since you have a 1j) people who use the timing belt off an '88 and up isuzu rodeo for thier 1j. Ever think about that?

So don't think it's always about being cheap. It's about what a person can come up with to make thier car better and in doing so, keeps the idea they have a unqiue and custom part.

Whasian

Using two crappy stock intercoolers is all about being cheap. This was pioneered back in the days when your only choice for an intercooler was $600 or more. That setup has twice as many fittings that could leak, and twice as much space wasted. If you put one behind the other, the heat disipated by the first intercooler will flow through the intercooler behind it, making it less effictive. A wider 3" core aftermarket intercooler flows better then two stock units, and cools the air better because more surface area is exposed to cool air flow.
 

starscream5000

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Before Whasian comes back from his vacation and starts griping about the price of a cartech IC or spearco, he should check out some of the local vendors on here who offer good quality IC's in the low $200 price range that are NEAR drop in replacements from the stocker ;). Which would you do? Pay the extra money (however much it's going to cost to get another stock IC, piping, couplers, time to route the confusing shit) for 2 stockers, or spend a comparable amount on a brand new, helluva lot more effcient IC?
 

JohnRardin

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starscream5000 said:
Before Whasian comes back from his vacation and starts griping about the price of a cartech IC or spearco, he should check out some of the local vendors on here who offer good quality IC's in the low $200 price range that are NEAR drop in replacements from the stocker ;). Which would you do? Pay the extra money (however much it's going to cost to get another stock IC, piping, couplers, time to route the confusing shit) for 2 stockers, or spend a comparable amount on a brand new, helluva lot more effcient IC?

If this setup cost more than $50 and took a lot of time to do I wouldve never concidered it. I would never try to defend the idea that it even would come close to an aftermarket IC, I just want to defend my point that its possible and it has the potential to be at least 1.5 times better, if not twice as good. Of coarse I would prefer and aftermarket IC, I just want to try to prove the point that the stock IC isnt as bad as everyone says it is. Ive seen tests that show almost 0 pressure drop from in to out, so this setup really isnt so impractical. If I had to make more than a foot or so of piping, yes, the results would be barely any better than stock. But since Im only talking about branching out right at the IC, it could only be an improvement.
 
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