Curiosity: Dollar sign position before/after numbers

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I notice a lot of younger people tend to place the dollar sign after the digits in a dollar amount. Now of course most people know that the correct way to show currency using a dollar sign is to have the dollar sign before the digits.

Is it because people do not know the correct way to write it (and if they don't; why the heck not?), or that they just don't have the time to go back and correct a mistake?

I know a lot of people don't feel that a message board/the internet is a place they need to spend a lot of time using correct grammar and spelling, but every now and then I'll snap and post a thread such as this one to satisfy my own curiosity.

Any insight? Can be from someone who does it or not, doesn't matter.
 

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all i know is that the $ symbol came from a U over an S. Printing machines simplified it to two vertical lines over the s which became further simplified into the two acceptable $ versions.
 

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lagged said:
all i know is that the $ symbol came from a U over an S. Printing machines simplified it to two vertical lines over the s which became further simplified into the two acceptable $ versions.

I don't believe that is correct (as far as I'm aware the $ symbol was used by Mexico/Britain before the United States existed -- I think).

Although that really doesn't have to do with the issue at hand, haha.
 

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I think people do it because on the internet we type as we talk, such as "fifty dollars" translates to "50 $" I always catch myself typing a number out when it should have the $ in front, but always go back and enter it, and never just toss it on the end.
 

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I normally forget about it, then go back and put it in since as you said GT, when spoken it's "fifty dollars" and thats how I think when I go to type it.

That being said, it doesn't make any sense and I have never written/typed it as 50 $.

I have found that people who use (at least mostly) proper grammar on forums are generally more intelligent in the real world, and for people who argue that grammar means nothing online... see my 1st point. ;)
 

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Generally, I've seen it that people lack education these days, they spell things phonetically and say them the same way. Half the time they don't even know what the real words are.

On this forum I have seen people render the phrase "for all intents and purposes" as "all intensive purposes", etc.

And no, the $ sign has nothing to do with US although it sounds good:
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutsymbols/dollarsign
 

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Supracentral said:
Generally, I've seen it that people lack education these days, they spell things phonetically and say them the same way. Half the time they don't even know what the real words are.

On this forum I have seen people render the phrase "for all intents and purposes" as "all intensive purposes", etc.

And no, the $ sign has nothing to do with US although it sounds good:
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutsymbols/dollarsign

well i hate to be argumentative here :).... but it seems like the general consensus is that the possible origins are many and there is no conclusive evidence either way.
 

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There is a ton of conclusive evidence. Wikipedia is a publicly edited encyclopedia. Truth determined by commitee. I may reference it from time to time, it's correct more often than not. But the section that has all the speculation about this topic specifically warns you that sites no references. (i.e.- it's opinion)

It is sometimes said that the dollar sign's origin is a narrow "U" superimposed over a wide "S", "U.S." being short for "United States." This is wrong, and the correct explanation also tells why the $ sign is used both for dollars and for pesos in various countries. The explanation is not widely known, maybe because not many people would think to look for it in a book called A History of Mathematical Notations, Volume II: Notations Mainly in Higher Mathematics by Florian Cajori (published in 1929 and reprinted in 1952, by Open Court Press). Cajori acknowledges the "U.S." theory and a number of others, but, after examining many 18th-century manuscripts, finds that there is simply no evidence to support those theories.

Spanish pesos were also called piastres, Spanish dollars, and pieces of eight. (The piece of eight was so called because its value was eight reales. Some countries made one-real coins by slicing pieces of eight into eight sectors; the still-current U.S. slang "two bits" for a quarter of a dollar may refer to this, although "bit" denoting any small coin -- as in "threepenny bit" -- was already in use.) The coins were circulated in many parts of the world, much as U.S. dollars are today. The coins were so well known that, when the U.S. got around to issuing its own silver coinage (U.S. dollar coins first appeared in 1794), it simply replicated the Spanish unit's weight and hence value, and even one of its names; so it was natural to use the same symbol.

Since three of the four names given above for the Spanish dollar start with p (and pluralize with s), it was natural for abbreviations like p and ps to be used. Sometimes ps was written as P -- P with a superscript s. The superscript was a common way of rendering abbreviated endings of words -- we see vestiges of it today in the way some people write "10th". Now, what happens if you write P with a superscript s *fast*, because it's part of a long
document that you have to hand-write because you can't wait for the typewriter to be invented, let alone the word-processor? Naturally,
you join the letters. Well, now look at the top part of the resulting symbol. There's the $ sign! Reduce the P to a single stroke and you have the form of the $ with a double vertical; omit it altogether and you get the single vertical.

And yes, both these forms are original. Cajori reproduces 14 $ signs from a diary written in 1776; 11 of them have the single stroke, which was the more common form to the end of the century, and 3 have the double stroke.

Although the $ sign originally referred to a Spanish coin, it was the revolting British -> American colonists who made the transition from ps to the new sign. (This is apparently also why we write $1 instead of 1$; it mimics the British use of the pound sign.) So, while it did not originally refer to the U.S. dollar, the symbol does legitimately claim its origins in that country.

You should love it lag, the $ is of hispanic origin and was stolen by Americans - should blend in with the rest of your philosophy...:sarcasm:
 

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You should love it lag, the $ is of hispanic origin and was stolen by Americans - should blend in with the rest of your philosophy...

id say that was a "cheap shot"1 but id rather not resort to being a crybaby when there exists no real retort.

oh but i could say that ive never stated my philosophy and that im surprised to see you jump to conclusions like some less intelligent members tend to do oh so often...:icon_bigg

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lagged said:
id say that was a "cheap shot"1 but id rather not resort to being a crybaby when there exists no real retort.

oh but i could say that ive never stated my philosophy and that im surprised to see you jump to conclusions like some less intelligent members tend to do oh so often...:icon_bigg

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It was a joke lagged, lighten up... :rolleyes:
 

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Supracentral said:
On this forum I have seen people render the phrase "for all intents and purposes" as "all intensive purposes", etc.

I really hate when people don't even know the words coming out of their own mouths when they speak. It becomes so much more apparent when they type the same thing.

The use of "of" in place of the contraction "'ve" is one of my biggest pet peeves in spoken word online. Right up there with using the dollar sign after the digits, haha.

speed_dodici said:
Its because in my head as I'm saying it out, i say "forty six dollars"

I guess that's probably the most common answer, that people simply type things the way they would say them online, instead of actually using the written English language.
 

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I agree with SC in the fact that on the internet, people tend to spell the way they speak (phonetic)

Let's look at the word could've. Now seperatated it is "could have." But in speaking, it sounds like "couldof," and from that, morons get could of, would of, etc.

So it's not really surprising to see people type 500$ (phonetically five hundred dollars) instead of $500. It's just a product of improper education.

Edit: Damn. I was busy with a client and missed my chance. Jeff got in before I clicked "post reply." Oh well.
 
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I post it at the end some times. Its not that i dont know it goes before the amount, because i mean, im not retarded, everyone knows that. But sometimes ive cought myself doing it because i start typing it how i would say it,

$ = dollars
250 dollars
250 $
but usually end up fixing it. maybee people are lazy.