CRC AFM cleaner

jdub

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Do not use this on the 7M AFM. The problem with cleaners like this is the chemical will cloud the optical sensor...it FUBAR's the electronics.
 

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So far, I don't think there is any way (chime in if you know a proven working method) to clean the sensor on the supra's AFM. The closest thing you can do is to remove the senor and clean out the inside of the AFM.
 

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If you use a trichloroethylene type cleaner commonly found in carb, brake and this type AFM cleaner, it will craze the optical sensor, emitter, or mirror in the AFM. You will need a Freon based electronics cleaner and vapor clean the AFM. The problem is most (if not all) of this type was removed from the market years ago as part of the EPA push to ban ozone depleting chemicals. Also if the AFM electronics have already been cleaned with something like carb cleaner, vapor cleaning it will not restore function.

A couple of cleaners that would be safe to use are CFC-12 or HFC-134.
If you do this, you will be in violation of several parts of the EPA statutes ;)
 

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Sure you can ;)

Otherwise known as Freon 12 or Freon 134...refrigerants used in car A/C.
They happen to be good degreasers too.
 

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Are you implying some of us aren't normal? ;)

What the Dubster said. The 7MGTE uses an optical AFM. It was somewhat unusual for it's time and remains so to this day, having been eclipsed by hot wire MAF and MAP sensors. The CRC product was designed to clean hot wire sensors even though most run a burn off/cleaning cycle after engine shutdown. Under no circumstances should it be applied to the Karman Vortex sensor used in the 7MGTE.

The problem is just what he said: Some solvents will dissolve the surface layer of the plastic parts in the AFM. It's called crazing. An example is how something like iospropo alcohol is harmless to most plastics while acetone will craze them. The same process (albeit on a deeper scale) occurs when you "glue" PVC pipe together. What's really happening is called solvent welding.

The trick to cleaning this thing is twofold: 1) Using solvent that won't craze the internal optics and 2) Vapor cleaning. There are such solvents out there but most are hard to come by in the US because their manufacture was banned by the Montreal Protocol. Remaining supplies can still be bought but they're rare and aren't cheap. Just try to find some Freon TF for example.

That said there is commonly available stuff that'll do the job. As noted certain refrigerants will work but then you have to worry about the AFM handling a boiling substance. You'd still to vapor clean and it's all a lot work to go through for a part that's readily available and likely doesn't have anything wrong with it in the first place.

Supra90 makes a good point. Most AFMs are "cleaned" for the wrong reasons. As long as they put out a good square wave at close to the right frequency they're working. I suspect many are screwed with because either the owner hasn't the expertise to check them or because the problem lies elsewhere and he's barking up the wrong tree entirely.

Besides, this AFM should never need cleaning because it lives in a pretty clean environment. Contrary to popular belief the PCV system isn't a factor. The few that do get gunked up come from being behind improperly serviced oiled filters like the K&N. Don't clean your filter too often and never over oil it. Course, if you really cared about your engine you wouldn't be using one to begin with.
 

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I was going to say quit over oiling the K&N filter. And we were told not to clean in any way the KV meter. For the reasons stated.
 
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Hey thanks to all, for all the info, but dnt worry I was not going to use it, I was just asking if it was ok to use, if it were ever needed, I was also asking, becasue since I hear so much about people trying to clean it with like brake cleaners and carb cleaners, and I know that ruins the AFM, and since i have never seen this product before, I was wondering it was possible to use it on the 7m's AFM. Once again thanks to all, Ricardo.