Crank Pulley....

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I just bought the ATI pulley from summit. $380 shipped approx.

I bit the bullet on this, and paid for the confidence and piece of mind.

Now I don't have to worry about that anymore.
 

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either one will work but get the fluid one instead of the atc one it is better for the engine health and lighter and the 2jz pully kit is the same exact same! so the after market unorthadox pully kit works the whole kit is around $400 from mvp maybe the cheapest the crank alone is around that on summit racing so either get the fluid one or the race pully kit
 

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Well the one I ordered arrived today. It has a larger diameter than stock! Talk about an overdrive pulley!

Buy the one 1.5JZ listed above....

I think it'll fit. I'm returning this one TODAY!
 

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i wouldn't use the unorthadox crank pulley.i would use the ati super damper and fluidampener though
 

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RacerXJ220 said:
Well the one I ordered arrived today. It has a larger diameter than stock! Talk about an overdrive pulley!

Buy the one 1.5JZ listed above....

I think it'll fit. I'm returning this one TODAY!
pic's comparing it to stock would be cool
 

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The worst that can happen is if the myth of harmonic balancers is right (using unorthidox racing pullys) then i will have to buy a short block 2jz and make a 1.5 jz sooner then 400k miles lol.:dunno: but its all myth based on these facts

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The Facts About Unorthodox Racing Crank Pulleys

3) "How do Unorthodox Racing pulleys give me more power?"
Weight reduction is how we are able to increase Horsepower! Each pound of weight removed from the crankshaft is worth approximately 2.7HP and the gains jump even more dramatically with forced induction, nitrous, VTEC and increased RPM's. Only 15-20% of the gains from our pulleys come from underdriving. The diameter of each of our crank pulleys is reduced up to 20%. We tailor the exact amount of underdrive to each vehicle based on factory specified accessory performance. We fully maintain all accessory output minimums like air conditioning efficiency, power steering feel, and voltage (minimum allowable voltage 12v) even at idle with everything electrical on in the car. There are no adverse effects from using any of our pulley versions. Bolt them on and forget about them, then just follow your vehicles normal maintenance schedule.

4) "Is my crank pulley a harmonic/torsional/vibration damper or a harmonic balancer?"
People are getting their crank pulleys confused with the harmonic dampers found on some V6 / V8 engines. "Harmonic Balancer" is a term used loosely in the automotive industry. Technically, this type of device does not exist. The "balancer" part comes from engines that are externally balanced and have a counterweight cast into the damper, hence the merging of the two terms. None of the applications we offer use a counterweight as part of the pulley, as these engines are all internally balanced.

The pulleys on most of the new import and smaller domestic engines have an elastomer (rubber ring) incorporated into the pulley that makes them look similar to a harmonic damper. The elastomer in the OEM pulley serves as an isolator, which is there to suppress natural vibration and noise from the engine itself, the A/C compressor, P/S pump, and alternator. This is what the manufacturers call NVH (Noise Vibration & Harshness) when referring to noticeable noise and vibration in the passenger compartment. It is important to note in these applications, the elastomer is inadequate in size and durability to act as an effective torsional damper. If you look at the pulleys on some imports there is no rubber to be found at all. We have samples of these, mostly from Acura/Honda, the Nissan Altima, 1.8L Eclipse, 2.3L Fords, Chrysler 2.2L's, and 1.8L VW's, to mention a few. This is not to say with our pulleys you will hear a ton of noise or feel more vibration from your engine compartment. Most owners who have installed our pulleys notice the engine actually feels smoother. This is result of replacing the heavy crank pulley with our crank pulley. NVH is variable and unique to every car. NVH will increase with the installation of an aftermarket intake and/or exhaust, for example. Think of OEM intake systems in newer cars, they use baffles and resonators in the intake to quiet all the intake noise. Aftermarket intakes eliminate these resonators and create dramatic increases in engine noise from the throttle opening and closing. So to most tuners, certain types of NVH can make the driving experience more enjoyable.

The purpose of a traditional harmonic damper is to protect against crank failure from torsional movement. This is not necessary in most modern engines because of the many advances in engine design and materials. Factors such as stroke length, displacement, inline, V configurations, piston dwell time, piston pin off-set, power output, etc., do determine when and how these harmonics and torsional movements occur.

Again, there is a lot of internet hearsay about crank pulleys. When engine problems occur, too often people are quick to blame the pulley first, rather than taking the time to look logically into why there was a problem. We hope that after reading this you will understand the crank pulleys better.

6) "Will these pulleys cause premature engine bearing wear?"
This is a fear many prospective owners have and is a valid concern since we are dealing directly with the rotating assembly. Fortunately it is another urban myth with no basis in fact. The fact is our pulleys have the opposite effect on engine bearings. The combination of tight tolerances, precise quality control, perfect balance, and dramatic weight loss versus the stock pulleys reduces stress loads on your engine, extending the service life of your engine. Engine bearing problems are purely associated to poor engine maintenance, use of heavier than factory recommended oils, improper engine building practices (which includes poor balancing), excessively revving of engines when they are cold, and owners expecting their factory oil pumps to handle engine power outputs beyond 3, 4, even 5+ times the stock power levels.

well that sums it up a lot of people make up things because their crappy engines fail and if you have more questions check it out from there site http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/faq_pulleys.html
 
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I doubt it's an urban myth.

Why would manufacturers install dampers stock, and why would companies engineer out of the ass dampers and balancers. Why would a company who makes pulleys without dampers say it's a myth.

Supras oil pumps handle outputs beyond 3,4, even 5+ (maybe) times the stock power levels.

I still go with what works.

BTW, if ANYONE is interested in purchasing an UNDERDRIVE pulley for their jz engine I have one, lol.
 

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Dont know but there is no fact based on one thing i know is the pullys are lighter and put less weight and strain on them!

i have a theory as to why companys put a mass of steel around the crank that looks like a dampener i think it is like newtons law of objects in motion it takes a lot of energy to move something and once it moves it takes a lot of force to change its momentum. To add torque and quet down the reactiveness the beast a 1jz could potentialy be. If you dont believe my theory why do rock crawler 4X4 for off road increase there flywheel weight ? so the engine doesnt stall and it haves a smooth ride even when climing a cliff.

My guess is just like how toyota and mfg put baffles & butterflys inside intakes to make the engine quieter, they use the inertial mass because the big steel crank pullys are cheaper to use and it also keeps the engine from being as responsive people dont want side drafts or light drive terains they want quiet underpowered cars with restrictive emission crap hmm i guess your right its no myth the mfg puts it on there because we shouldnt upgrade our cars.
 

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Well we aren't talking about weight, or whether or not it's intended to upgrade our cars by using a light weight crank wheel from Unorthodox.

The whole point is canceling out vibrations, not whether or not modifying cars is an option to drivers.

You can just as well modify an engine with an ATI pulley for example, vs. an unorthodox unit. The damper DOES serve a purpose from an engineering standpoint, and to use it on an aftermarket scale with even better engineering seems like a no brainer. Nearly every single car has one.

This has been discussed before numerous times.

It's like those vibrations on a high HP car are magnified even more at higher RPMS with more power than stock. I feel a whole lot safer making higher HP with a dampened unit, something to cancel it out/absorb it. I think it's good that unorthodox uses Aluminum for it's ability to minimize vibrations, but that's it.

It is still better than an unorthodox for that reason.
 

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I thought our engines are percision internaly balanced and harmonic balancers that cancel out vibrations are on old gm engines, my engine haves no vibration at all and i should feel it i have the solid motor mounts.
 

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The dampers cancel out the small viscious vibrations. For example, you have solid motor mounts, and say the engine feels smooth.

Next time the engine is on the dyno under load, put your hand/finger/object on the block or head, and you should feel the vibrations. That's what the damper helps to take away from the crank while it's moving at high RPMS.
 

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I am willing to try that! have a dyno handy lol ? shit im in ca we should take vibration readings from the engine by putting a microphone or speaker diafram on a block while running it 1 with unorthidox pully one with factory then that would be solid evidence or fact but no one has took any siesmec measurments while the engine was on a dyno like your saying.
 

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IJ. said:
Man is there some crap floating around in that thread......

The Damper "dampens" the torsional twist in the crank.

Think of the crank as a long wet noodle and each time you get a firing pulse it whips back and forth from that crank pin.

"Balance" as such has NOTHING to do with this and is a seperate issue.

Without the damper acting as a shock absorber the motor will trash the bearings reasonably quickly!
 

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The Fluidamper is a direct fit. I will have pictures tomorrow of the ATi, Sfi, and stock in a side by side photo.
 

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I have the pics, but I'm too tired.... I have a ATI one "made for a 2JZ", a stock unit, fluidyne, Egay all next to each other. I took pictures of the diameter of the belt part with a ruler in case anyone wants to know.

Pics will be up later today after I take a nap.
 

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I still have them! They are on the camera, gosh, I've been so busy. I'll post them probably this weekend. I have too many things going on right now.

Jeff