88mkiiisupra;1123815 said:
I'll let you know...
I'm looking to lower 2.5 front and 1.5 rear although the car will sit only slightly higher in the rear due to a massive sound system.
I'll let you know...
I'm looking to lower 2.5 front and 1.5 rear although the car will sit only slightly higher in the rear due to a massive sound system.
***swear it is like a kicking contest and all contestants (save Wiisass and myself) are one legged entries***
88mkiiisupra.
I will reiterate what Wiisass stated,
if you have never driven a real suspension setup with the proper everything, they will "feel" better just because they are different than OEM. Once you have rode around in a properly setup suspension in the Supra, there is absolutely no comparison to "off the shelf" suspension.
88mkiiisupra.
I will reiterate what Wiisass stated,
if you have never driven a real suspension setup with the proper everything, they will "feel" better just because they are different than OEM. Once you have rode around in a properly setup suspension in the Supra, there is absolutely no comparison to "off the shelf" suspension.
I personally have ridden in Tim's TIP Supra(RIP). I have tried many things in my car as far as suspension and it was all wrong. I tried two different sets of springs and two sets of dampers. My car never even came close to what Tim's car felt like. I tried to match spring rates to what he ran and the car still sucked. I finally went and made my own coilover setup, with koni yellows. Ordered hypercoils with and a good coilover sleeve setup. What do you know, the car started to work for me and felt about 1000lbs lighter. Without that WORKING adjustability, springs alone won't do. The dampers are critical. Some of the JDM stuff is horrible. My setup is temporary, I am going to get with Tim and either modifiy my setup, or go with a new one. It's just a baseline.figgie;1124779 said:
So I don't know if I should add my 2c here, there seems to be good info
coming from both camps. I would think most choices would end up being
purely subjective based on driving conditions and overall suspension set up.
I ran Yellow Koni shocks and Eibach ProKit springs with stock sway bars and
rear traction bars for 6 years on my car. The Prokit lowered the car to Eibach's
specs and the Konis worked great and the car tracked great. Maybe it was my
age and the Koni's age, but in the last year the car still handled great and
cornered pretty flat but it felt like riding on a buck board on neighborhood
streets. I never had the Konis worked on in that time and I figured they wore
out. I changed the entire set up this spring to Tein Control Master Flex coilovers w/ their EDFC, White Line sway bars and Lipp rear traction bars.
So far I have left the coilovers @ Tein's spec height and might lower it another
1/2" f&r depending on new wheels & tires clearance. I have to say I think this
is the best set up that I have had on the car. It handles great and takes high
speed corners with almost 0 lean or roll. The EDFC works great for ride adjustment from soft 14,15,16 settings for the neighborhood to 1,2 for
very hard driving. The other issue is always the tires, grip in the corners is
confident and predictable, straight line traction can be very loose, getting
them to stick under boost is tricky. The tire sizing 30, 35, or 40 18s also
transfers the cushion from the wheel to the overall ride comfort.
coming from both camps. I would think most choices would end up being
purely subjective based on driving conditions and overall suspension set up.
I ran Yellow Koni shocks and Eibach ProKit springs with stock sway bars and
rear traction bars for 6 years on my car. The Prokit lowered the car to Eibach's
specs and the Konis worked great and the car tracked great. Maybe it was my
age and the Koni's age, but in the last year the car still handled great and
cornered pretty flat but it felt like riding on a buck board on neighborhood
streets. I never had the Konis worked on in that time and I figured they wore
out. I changed the entire set up this spring to Tein Control Master Flex coilovers w/ their EDFC, White Line sway bars and Lipp rear traction bars.
So far I have left the coilovers @ Tein's spec height and might lower it another
1/2" f&r depending on new wheels & tires clearance. I have to say I think this
is the best set up that I have had on the car. It handles great and takes high
speed corners with almost 0 lean or roll. The EDFC works great for ride adjustment from soft 14,15,16 settings for the neighborhood to 1,2 for
very hard driving. The other issue is always the tires, grip in the corners is
confident and predictable, straight line traction can be very loose, getting
them to stick under boost is tricky. The tire sizing 30, 35, or 40 18s also
transfers the cushion from the wheel to the overall ride comfort.
88mkiiisupra;1122762 said:
I just installed the megan tracks today.
Took about 5 hours as I hit a few trouble spots.
Left upper control arm is a pain- need to move the windshield washer fluid resevoir a bit to clear the long bolt.
Both rears needs to be sanded a bit in order to bolt the bottom into the lower control arm.
I see your concerned about how low the drop can go. I lowered the fronts another inch on the threads from w/e Megan set them at......my front tires were tucked way to far to be driven on the streets. My front bumper was 1.75 off the floor...and there was much more room to lower it on the coilover. This is with stock wheels and tire size.
I raised it up some but maybe too much now. I still gotta spend some time fine tuning the ride height and dampening.
Havent taken it out for a ride yet but I'll comment on it within the next few days.
The lower mount is a slide, gotta expand it out a bit (think pushing a brake caliper piston back in).
From what I've read, the OP like 97% of MKIII owners looking to upgrade their suspension seems to be more concerned about ride height than handling, making coilovers seem the most attractive.
The way I see it, what to go for depends entirely on what you want to do with your car
If you care about looks, Go with the coilovers. You'll get more of a drop and more bragging rights and because of you being using your car mostly on the street, you're likely not to notice the short comings of coilovers.
If you care about Handling, a decent shocks + springs setup is the way to go. They'll out handle and under price most if not all of the coilovers mentioned in this thread. Best of both worlds.
The way I see it, what to go for depends entirely on what you want to do with your car
If you care about looks, Go with the coilovers. You'll get more of a drop and more bragging rights and because of you being using your car mostly on the street, you're likely not to notice the short comings of coilovers.
If you care about Handling, a decent shocks + springs setup is the way to go. They'll out handle and under price most if not all of the coilovers mentioned in this thread. Best of both worlds.
I love the Megan Track Coilovers.
Reminds me of driving my old corvette with the Z51 suspension package.
Very slight body roll at high speed turns.
Not bouncy and rides beautiful if you like a stiff ride.
Definelty a bit harsh on shitty backroads which was expected.
Front bumper sits 4 3/4 inches off the ground....may lower it another 1/2 inch as I havent had any wheel rub or bottoming out.
I've driven in strut/lowering spring combos and coilover sleeves and was very unimpressed with the ride quality. Very bouncy and not very stiff.
I was undecided as to get the Megans/Teins SS/Stance and I couldnt be happier with the Megans.
Reminds me of driving my old corvette with the Z51 suspension package.
Very slight body roll at high speed turns.
Not bouncy and rides beautiful if you like a stiff ride.
Definelty a bit harsh on shitty backroads which was expected.
Front bumper sits 4 3/4 inches off the ground....may lower it another 1/2 inch as I havent had any wheel rub or bottoming out.
I've driven in strut/lowering spring combos and coilover sleeves and was very unimpressed with the ride quality. Very bouncy and not very stiff.
I was undecided as to get the Megans/Teins SS/Stance and I couldnt be happier with the Megans.
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88mkiiisupra;1131969 said:
I lowered the car a bit more....
the front bumper sits 3.5 inches of the ground with a bit of a raked look in the rear.
Only complaint with the Megan Tracks is not being able to go real low in the rear.
The fronts still have much more room to lower which would be perfect for track use but the rears cant even get flush with the wheel well on stock wheels and tire size.
Also messed around with the dampening...
I found it best to my liking at 8 in the fronts and 10 in the rears.
I will try to get pics up if I can borrow a dig. camera
Honestly i have had nothing but troubles with my Megan track series coilovers. I hate them, if i could i would go back and get regular springs/struts. The fronts are extremely soft in comparison to the rear, i cant go over a speed bump strait on any faster than tip-toe speed literally because if i go at any kind of speed considered normal for a speed bump the front end comes slamming down bottoming out my car, but with the rears i could go over it as fast as i wanted and the suspension barely compresses. In order to get the some decent performance i have to have the dampening on the front at full stiff and the dampening in the rear to full soft. I tried with them both at full soft and as expected the car did nothing but slide out. I'm disappointed, i have no idea if its my set, and i don't know how it would be, that's fucked up. I have no other supra with them to compare so for the past year that Ive had them i have sucked it up and dealt with it. I strongly recommend against these!
CyFi6;1142784 said:
Honestly I have no idea what your talking about. The ride is very stiff and I havent bottomed out at all. I would try to get a new set as it sounds like something is wrong with yours.
blk92suprat;1142786 said:
bottoming out is a function of the spring rate with the dampning rate.
I am going to say I find highly suspect that the dampening rates (Both compression and rebound) is spot on for our cars or even "close" for that matter. So that leaves a stiffer spring to compensate.
Here is a basic suspenion question that I have yet to see answered for the megans. What is the fundamental frequency of those spring rates for both the front and the rear?
Either something is wrong with Cify's set or whatever he is describing makes no sense at all. I remember him talking about how screwed up they were a while back in the suspension section. But even if his are screwed up, that doesn't make the megan's good. It's actually more believable that you would need to have the front dampers at full stiff and the rear dampers at full soft because they're probably using the same damper front and rear and that would be the only way to get the valving anywhere near where it's supposed to be.
But Figgie, you're probably right, the damping rates are probably way off just like most of the other off the shelf stuff. I think at least Megan's have a decent spring rate choice that isn't too far off for balance. I think they're 18/12, which is a little biased towards oversteer, depending on the static balance of the car. Natural frequencies would depend on weight as well, on a light car (3klbs), front natural frequency with that spring rate would be around 2.2-2.3Hz, rear would be a little higher.
But you wouldn't really use a stiffer sprign to compensate for poor valving, but I have seen people try and use stiffer valving to compensate for softer springs. I mean I guess to stop bottoming out, if the current valving had too much overshoot over bumps, you could use a stiffer spring to stop it, but if you're bottoming out on a suspension not designed to use the bumpstops like that, you should be running a stiffer spring anyway, you should not count on valving to stop the damper from bottoming out.
Oh and you should know that unfortunately, frequencies aren't basic suspension questions, well they are, but not really here. Here the basic suspension questions are "Does it ride like stock?", "How much can I lower the car?" and "How much does it cost?".
But Figgie, you're probably right, the damping rates are probably way off just like most of the other off the shelf stuff. I think at least Megan's have a decent spring rate choice that isn't too far off for balance. I think they're 18/12, which is a little biased towards oversteer, depending on the static balance of the car. Natural frequencies would depend on weight as well, on a light car (3klbs), front natural frequency with that spring rate would be around 2.2-2.3Hz, rear would be a little higher.
But you wouldn't really use a stiffer sprign to compensate for poor valving, but I have seen people try and use stiffer valving to compensate for softer springs. I mean I guess to stop bottoming out, if the current valving had too much overshoot over bumps, you could use a stiffer spring to stop it, but if you're bottoming out on a suspension not designed to use the bumpstops like that, you should be running a stiffer spring anyway, you should not count on valving to stop the damper from bottoming out.
Oh and you should know that unfortunately, frequencies aren't basic suspension questions, well they are, but not really here. Here the basic suspension questions are "Does it ride like stock?", "How much can I lower the car?" and "How much does it cost?".
Its hard to explain what happens. I feel as i go over the speed bump with the front wheels, the suspension compresses a little when initially hitting the bump, as i continue over it the suspension rebounds causing the front of the car to raise up, and as im coming off of it, all that weight that went up is now coming down, and its coming down after the speed bump(larger distance) and that makes the suspension compress greatly causing my cars frame rails to smack hard against the speed bump. However, when i go over the bump with the rears at the same speed, the bump is much harsher in the cabin and it seems to simply "hop" over the bump, it really doesn't compress much and the car just goes up and down with the bump.
Aftermarket springs are not very stiff though, only a couple (Eibach and RSR come to mind) are stiffer than stock, most just give a lower stance. I've been using Tokicos and Eibachs for several years and still love the feel but I've tuned with other items (3-4 swaybar combos, alignment, tire sizing, bushings)
Like I said, I like the feel of the setup with the other items I have but I've found the springs just aren't heavy enough to keep the car flat in hard corners (even on Azenis, not on R's yet)
I don't like the ratios some of the aftmkt setups have, the 600/250 (2.4:1) peak of the Eibachs is very nuetral on my car (allows good throttle steering) but I think a 1000/700 would put me back into tail happy again.
Like I said, I like the feel of the setup with the other items I have but I've found the springs just aren't heavy enough to keep the car flat in hard corners (even on Azenis, not on R's yet)
I don't like the ratios some of the aftmkt setups have, the 600/250 (2.4:1) peak of the Eibachs is very nuetral on my car (allows good throttle steering) but I think a 1000/700 would put me back into tail happy again.
me my self have ran alot of setup not so much of the coil over part
intrax they lower the car handling meh
eb they lower the car handle good cetp can have nasty whip to them
st well i have to say i liked these spring but they whent soft and wore out reson being is there liner rate so there all ways the same
i blew a set of konie's they were nice i guess
bistein best shock yet mixed wiht eb springs
now i have all wasy liked jic coil over there very nice and have tons of option's
tein are kidna neat since you have use the flex system witch is pretty neat herd good thing but never used in supra
magan umm i read lot's of bad things for seiseing and the bl;ance is just not there
my coil over of choise form many install wiht no isse and just plain happy people have bena
jic FLT-TAR
jic FLT-FAS
intrax they lower the car handling meh
eb they lower the car handle good cetp can have nasty whip to them
st well i have to say i liked these spring but they whent soft and wore out reson being is there liner rate so there all ways the same
i blew a set of konie's they were nice i guess
bistein best shock yet mixed wiht eb springs
now i have all wasy liked jic coil over there very nice and have tons of option's
tein are kidna neat since you have use the flex system witch is pretty neat herd good thing but never used in supra
magan umm i read lot's of bad things for seiseing and the bl;ance is just not there
my coil over of choise form many install wiht no isse and just plain happy people have bena
jic FLT-TAR
jic FLT-FAS