Can't get the bead to seat on the stock sawblade rims, any tips?

[destrux]

I've been trying for hours, I even tried 2 different kinds of tires. When I put air in, they air up, but the bead won't seat. It looks like the rims have these weird indentations machined around the outer bead area and the tire is hanging up on them and won't slide into place. I've never seen those on any other wheels before, and I mount ALOT of tires. I tried commercial tire lube, brake grease (it says it's rubber safe), Dawn, Windex, 65psi of air. I tried waiting for 2 hours to see if they just needed time (it's worked before on scion wheels that did this to me).

I'm at my wits end with this.

I even tried a cheetah bead seater... didn't do anything. :: angry ::

Edit: I give up. I even tried ether. These wheels must be designed specifically for 1980's tires or something. That makes no sense... but it makes as much sense as 3 different brands of 16" tires not mounting on these wheels.

I also just noticed that only one out of the 4 has those indents. I tried all 4 wheels... none would fit the tires. WTF.

 

[toyotanos]

Are you using a paste lube or liquid? I've had problems getting some brands of tires to seat up on rims with liquid lube, but paste tire lube always seems to give it that extra kick. I believe the worst ones I've ever mounted were Sumitomo HTR Z2's

 

[funky_monkey58]

Starting fluid and a light bro!

 

[D.J.T.]

^ WERD.. Just spray AROUND COMPLETELY with the starting fluid & have a match, (have air compressor ready) itll pop right into position & quickly fill it with air.

& if not just have the rims checked. i had no problems getting tires installed on my stock sawblades.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0GNLvPmAg
Skip to :30 seconds of the video.

here in the South they call it "Redneck tire mounting" back home in California they call it "Ghetto tire mounting"

 

[bioskyline]

Starting fluid and a light bro!

leave the valve stem out when you do this to.

also post a pic of the rim and this said weird indentaions

 

[destrux]

The ether blew the tire out against the rim just fine, but it won't push it over the lip onto the actual bead area on the wheel. I only tried it with the ether on my own tires, which were Kumho Ecsta MX's. Maybe those are too stiff to do it that way or something, or maybe I just need to use more ether.

I'll post a pic of the weird rim if I can't get the tires to seat and have to remove them to return them. I don't want to dismount the tire on that rim again if I don't have to.

I'm going to try again tomorrow I guess. Hopefully next time I post on here I'll still have a face and arms.

 

[bioskyline]

The ether blew the tire out against the rim just fine, but it won't push it over the lip onto the actual bead area on the wheel. I only tried it with the ether on my own tires, which were Kumho Ecsta MX's. Maybe those are too stiff to do it that way or something, or maybe I just need to use more ether.

I'm going to try again tomorrow I guess. Hopefully next time I post on here I'll still have a face and arms.

what size are your tires? i know my 255/40ZR17's never did really seat proplerly, as they were super stiff.

 

[Poodles]

Sounds like you might have the wheels with the extra material that protects the wheel if the tire goes flat.

 

[mecevans]

I got same tires they set With 45 psi no prob. Stock wheels have a groove in them for the bead so it wont pop out.

 

[destrux]

Yeah, all wheels have that groove as far as I've seen. The tires are stock size, 225/50-16. Not sure what the problem is, but the tires fit fine on another set of wheels I have here. They're 16x7.5 sport edition F5's +45 offset. I'm considering using 20 or 25mm H&R spacers to put those on.

 

[toyotanos]

Yeah, that ether trick usually only 'seals' the bead i.e.cheap tires that have a narrow bead spacing. He's having trouble 'seating' the bead, which leads me to believe that the lubrication is lacking, the beads themselves are the wrong size, or not the bead is just freakin too tight (manufacturer defect). The latter two are unlikely but I have seen it before. I highly suggest Pace or Hunter paste tire mounting lube. We use it at work and haven't met a tire I can't seat yet!
Hope this helps!!

Edit: re-read your above post and this is might even be a rim issue, but again that's rare and I would start with some uber quality lube. (TWSS, lol)

 

[destrux]

Yeah, I need to get more of the black paste lube we used to have. That stuff worked great. We got this blue stuff now, it's like a thick gel... our tire supplier recommended it. I don't really like it though. I figured the thick brake grease I was using would be about the thickest stuff that I could have used, and not even that stuff worked.

I might get some of that other tire lube and try once again before I drop $250 on H&R spacers for those other wheels. I also saw this company called Akata that makes hubcentric 20mm spacers that look pretty good. They're only $140 for a full set. Don't know about the quality, but searching google didn't come up with anything bad.

Update:

Got three of them seated, I used heavy equipment tire mounting "putty" and 60psi.... and it still took 10 minutes per tire for them to pop. Still having trouble with the one with the grooves, but I should get it with some more time.