This has TROLL all over it!! LOL!! but seriously I have the Bilstein height adjustable shocks on my supra. On stock rims/tires, my front bumper was an "iphone" height from the ground (lowest setting) but theres still a noticeable rake in the stance of the car. This was on stock springs, now i have 2' H&R springs. I'd recommend these springs to anyone with a mkIII looking to get a lower stance without using coilovers. *remember on the mkIII's, the lower your car sits-the more neg. camber there is* so if your worried about rubbing on your fenders, dont fret. My set up is the Bilstein height adjustable shocks(lowest setting), 2' H&R drop springs, with 18' Rota Grid's