are bov legal???

Dirgle

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Poodles said:
then they usually have other problems IMHO...


Say what you want man but I spent a lot of time trying to get a BOV that worked properly. My car ran perfect with the recirculating valve on it. I tried several different things, I found that if I adjusted the BOV to open for anything after 25 inHg (via hooking it up to a vacuum pump) I would get compressor surge. I got it tuned where the worst it would ever do it drop to about 400RPM when I pulled up to a stop and it would never die. Still it bugged the hell out of me so I switched back to the recirculating Valve and have been happy ever since.
 

steven89

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yeah, i had a HKS BOV working on my car for about 5 min (down the street to a stop sign, and back) I now have a Bosch 110 BPV and i love it!
 

suprflyusmc1

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In california, it is illegal to put a part that modifies a car's emission system from the stock system, unless it has been approved in a function applicable to your car. Each part that is "carb legal" has an executive order that establishes the application that the CARB has approved for.

Example:

I owned a 1989 Honda CRX DX. I had an AEM Cool Air Intake on it that WAS carb approved. I get pulled over by the cops, and get dinged for having a "modified" emissions system. I explain to the cop that it was a legal modification to my car, because it's "carb legal".

Well, the cop declares that the fact that the intake went down into the wheel well was an illegal modifaction, and that was the reason for the ticket. Well the kit was designed by AEM to either rest in the engine bay, or descend into the wheel well for "cold air".

I took the car to a CA smog ref, and he looks up the executive order for the intake I had in my car. Turns out the intake was absolutely legal, however, it was not approved for the application on my 1.5l motor. It was however approved for the 1.6l motor in all civic/crx si's. So basically I was screwed., and had to take it up the ass on a minor techinicality. I even went so far as to have a service station smog my car with the intake filter on prior to my appointment with the california smog ref. My car passed with flying colors.

Lesson learned: If you're going to modify your car with the intent to do so "legally", go to this web page, http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/amquery.php , and see if the CARB # on the device matches the make and model that it was legaly approved to be used on. If you choose to modify your car w/ non-carb parts, and ignore the laws, be prepared to take it up the ass from the po' po'.
 

7MGTEsup

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There are different types of vented valves, I had a twin piston valve that didn't effect the way the car ran appart from the flat spot for about 1/2 a second after shifting when it ran rich. Went back to a recirc because the flatspot anoyed the hell out of me.
 

Big Wang Bandit

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Earthquakes arn't bad. They happen all day, you can't even feel them, I never even feel the big ones.

California is almost forcing me out of the modified car scene, First I sell the car, now what :x

My car backfires when the exhaust is hot hahaha
 

IwantMKIII

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s383mmber1 said:
Mine not recirculated and i never stall. I think its time for you guys to stop saying that vented bov cause 7ms to stall.


Agreed, mine is not recirculated. HKS SSQV. At first it did all the time and it was frustrating, but after i got the car tuned it stopped stalling. FYI he did not adjust the BOV, only tuned the SAFCII and the stalling magically went away
 

figgie

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*cracks knuckles and dusts this account off*

I think someone said it best (think it was 3p as a matter of fact :) )

Just because you smoke and you have not killed over does not mean smoking is not bad for you.

Venting an aftermarket BOV to atmosphere causes the car to go rich. In majority of supras, it is rich enough to stall the motor (7:1 AFR), and in other it is just slightly rich (10:1) but in both cases it is rich. Why does it not kill all the supras? Not all engines are the exact same coming from the factory or better termed manufacturing statistical deviation.

With the BOV recirculating as it is stock. You have no "rich" condition as all the air that has been metered will be used by the engine. The TCCM has those values programmed from toyota from the get go.

*goes back into hidng*
 

IwantMKIII

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^most of us know why our cars stall. Yes its better to recirculate. BUT, all i'm saying is its doable, my car is proof. It stalled everytime i hit boost even a little bit and let off the gas. In under 15minutes on a dyno and tuning with the SAFCII, problem solved.
 

figgie

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IwantMKIII said:
^most of us know why our cars stall. Yes its better to recirculate. BUT, all i'm saying is its doable, my car is proof. It stalled everytime i hit boost even a little bit and let off the gas. In under 15minutes on a dyno and tuning with the SAFCII, problem solved.

Doable and being right are two different things.

And if a piggy back is involved then most piggybacks have a setting to prevent that rich spot from taking place. I am well aware of that.

If there is no piggy back in the chain anywhere, then venting will more than likely stall the car or at the very least, give it a rough spot.
 

IwantMKIII

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^i wasn't sure if they had a feature for BOV valves or not. I don't know all that much about SAFCII, short of its basic functions.
 

AkumaKuruma

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this is why my AFM was replaced with a MAFT thats post intercooler and BOV. no rich spot if its venting pressurized air before its metered.
 

IwantMKIII

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I always wondered if you could just relocate the meter to somewhere within the IC piping after the BOV. I have a lex AFM, wouldn't that just solve the problem all together?