Anyone on here know what "kicking" the clutch means?

[Boostage]

First..

Kick the clutch? explain.

What can can you do with the clutch to make the turbo spool quicker/earlier?

then..

I don't really understand. You push the clutch in briefly then let it out. So your RPMs come back to where they were...

I'll stick to downshifting into the correct gear/RPM range.

Now..

I HAVE tried your clutch kick thing before. It did nothing I couldn't do by just flooring it.

lie much?

In regards to doing it in a straight line, the idea is when you push in the clutch, you allow the RPMs to rise, and spool your turbo, then you let the clutch back up, and go faster. Sort of like a 2-step. I've tried this, but it really doesn't work very well. The amount of time it'll take to spool your turbo won't make up for teh additional boost you'll get.

As Rob said the method works, but for him, not so well.. when I do it I apply gas at the same time. and it works ALOT better that way.

I cant quite tell Joe if your arguing with me if the method works or arguing about decreasing life of the clutch. I have done it on my daily drivers making decent power. for years. I cant say I have done it for 5 years straight, I have changed cars and setups many times since. but the reason i say it doesnt make wear anymore is because..

this method is essentially launching the car while already rolling. launching. from a dead stop is FAR more stressful, yet you can do that light to light everyday without issue. now if you can launch hard everyday, and its more stressful, why would launching in a softer way create MORE wear?. in one scenario your instantly moving 3500lbs of dead weight. thats a big shock to the clutch compared to when the car is rolling. the other scenario is your instantly launching the car thats already rolling... so how is that MORE wear?

 

[OneJoeZee]

You can think I'm lying if you want.

I wasn't sure what you meant originally in terms of trying to decrease any lag. This is why I asked you to explain... Because it doesn't make sense to me. and it still doesn't

I HAVE tried depressing and releasing the clutch quickly. All it does is free rev, slip, then come back down only a little RPM ahead of where I was already. It's not going to spool my turbos any faster. As I said before, you can't change physics.


If you like your technique, then more power to you. Keep doing it.

I simply don't see any practical use to it. The only reason I can think of doing this is if you were trying to race someone. And if so, why would you be racing out of your powerband anyway that would warrant a need to try kicking the clutch? So you kick the clutch and then immediately shoot forward after that... The time you spent kicking the clutch could have been spent accelerating immediately in the first place even without brake boosting. Why would you want to do this clutch kick instead of brake boosting and launching in boost immediately when the race starts?


If you can supply some kind of real world scenario where your method would have any kind of advantage, please let me know. So far, I can think of none.

 

[OneJoeZee]

Drifters use clutch kicking to break the tires free and initiate a drift. Many times, they're not even sideways yet. They're still driving straight and the clutch kick breaks traction and starts the drift.

That's about it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIGgnBFi8N4

 

[IJ.]

Works well for underpowered motors to get them into the meaty part of the torque curve....

 

[Boostage]

The only reason I can think of doing this is if you were trying to race someone.

thats the point. Virgo over on SF started the whole thread because he didnt like lag. typically LAG is an issue when racing, not when going down the street to pick up milk.

And if so, why would you be racing out of your powerband anyway that would warrant a need to try kicking the clutch? So you kick the clutch and then immediately shoot forward after that... The time you spent kicking the clutch could have been spent accelerating immediately in the first place even without brake boosting. Why would you want to do this clutch kick instead of brake boosting and launching in boost immediately when the race starts?

Brake boosting is the only way to go if you are about to race somebody and it was totally planned. not every race starts Planned. keep in mind virgo said...

I know how to use my 2 step,anti-lag system

ok So that pretty much tells me his lag issue isnt from a dead stop. Lag also isnt an issue when rolling 3rd or 4th gear right Joe??

Ok so why would he be complaining about lag?

ok Im gonna go out on a limb and say the reason is for the scenario all of us find our selfs in. you move off slowly like you normally do and all of a sudden out of nowhere you get jumped by a car you didnt even notice a second ago. then your playing catchup.. or you move off and randomly decide to punch the gas and have the car go nuts right where it is, just like it did when it was bpu++ kind of hard to just punch a 72mm turbo and have it blow tires off at 2500rpms.. thats the point of it.

 

[OneJoeZee]

thats the point. Virgo over on SF started the whole thread because he didnt like lag. typically LAG is an issue when racing, not when going down the street to pick up milk.



Brake boosting is the only way to go if you are about to race somebody and it was totally planned. not every race starts Planned. keep in mind virgo said...
ok So that pretty much tells me his lag issue isnt from a dead stop. Lag also isnt an issue when rolling 3rd or 4th gear right Joe??

Ok so why would he be complaining about lag?

ok Im gonna go out on a limb and say the reason is for the scenario all of us find our selfs in. you move off slowly like you normally do and all of a sudden out of nowhere you get jumped by a car you didnt even notice a second ago. then your playing catchup.. or you move off and randomly decide to punch the gas and have the car go nuts right where it is, just like it did when it was bpu++ kind of hard to just punch a 72mm turbo and have it blow tires off at 2500rpms.. thats the point of it.

Ah, so finally we're down to the nitty gritty and you are admitting kicking the clutch has zero to do with the turbo, actually.

So why is it then that when Virgogasm asked what he can do to decrease lag you mentioned that he should kick the clutch?

Maybe your clutch kick will get your RPMs up, even as IJ just mentioned(for underpowered cars), but it won't decrease lag. It might get you going a little. I won't dispute that. If I said different before, well know we are clarifying. But you are slipping the clutch and your big turbo will still need time to spool up, regardless.

If you get caught off guard with your large turbo powered car, it won't matter what you do. If someone jumped out in front of you, you still would have to spool the turbo and play catch up. An underpowered car that needs a clutch kick to get going isn't gonna catch up anyway.

We can keep running around this all day if you wish. I've got time.

 

[Boostage]

No where did I admit that it doesnt spool the turbo. ONCE AGAIN you misunderstood, show me what part confused you or lead you to believe thats what I meant and I will try to explain it to you. however..

In regards to doing it in a straight line, the idea is when you push in the clutch, you allow the RPMs to rise, and spool your turbo, then you let the clutch back up, and go faster. Sort of like a 2-step.

 

[OneJoeZee]

Kicking the clutch is not going to spool your turbo any quicker... It just isn't. You're not putting any load on the engine with the clutch depressed. When you let the clutch out, sure you will be loading the engine to build boost then but you could have been doing so by just putting your foot down...


I'm not really interested in arguing this any further. The only scenario you described where this would have been of any use is irrelevant to me and I'm not convinced it would help even then.


As I said before, if you are confident in your method, keep doing it... Put a bunch of unneeded wear on your whole drivetrain if you wish. It's not only your clutch you're abusing. Alot of wear on a lot of parts for very little gain it seems to me. For what? To catch some ricer that decided to play fast and furious and jump out and swerve in front of you?

 

[Boostage]

HERE ITS IS IN VIDEO..


http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...39&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


another video..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=50&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8

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[foreverpsycotic]

That is how i used to get my NA to slide around, and to start rolling burnouts.

 

[OneJoeZee]

Ok... That is not what you have been explaining.

1. He was already at WOT(building boost and spooling if that was turbo) before he kicked the clutch. I don't see what the point of him kicking the clutch was. He just took load off the motor for a short second.

2. He was clearly in a higher RPM. He was in his powerband. He would have taken off like that anyway. As soon as he floored it in the first place he started moving pretty quick.

3. The situation you described where kicking the clutch would be useful was at a low speed as if you just rolled off from a stop light/sign. This video was at a freeway speed. Nothing like the lone scenario you explained.

Hardly conclusive or thread ending. Try again.

 

[Boostage]

I love how u ignored the second video, it was at high speed?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=50&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8

bro your IMPOSSIBLE. how doe the exhaust note go from passive to wild if he was at high speed in the integra video? that was low rpm second gear punch. and in the suzuki video that was rolling off the line like a shopping cart and then kicking. you have nothing else to say, seriously give it a rest, admit you were wrong and move on..

 

[OneJoeZee]

I love how u ignored the second video, it was at high speed?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=50&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8

bro your IMPOSSIBLE. how doe the exhaust note go from passive to wild if he was at high speed in the integra video? that was low rpm second gear punch. and in the suzuki video that was rolling off the line like a shopping cart and then kicking. you have nothing else to say, seriously give it a rest, admit you were wrong and move on..

I don't know about your car but when I'm not at WOT it sounds pretty passive. As soon as I hit the gas the volume goes up to 'wild' instantly.

I watched that 2nd video now too. He kicks the clutch on the Suzuki and breaks traction. I hear a lot of noise but the car doesn't look to accelerate much quicker.

Any more videos?


Do I have to keep saying it? If you're happy with your technique and destroying your drivetrain, then cool. I don't believe it's doing much good.

Keep doing it if you like. If I'm ever in Florida, feel free to kick your clutch and smoke me.

 

[Van Diesel]

you guys make me laugh.

 

[Boostage]

I don't know about your car but when I'm not at WOT it sounds pretty passive. As soon as I hit the gas the volume goes uo to 'wild' instantly.

say that after u put on a 72mm turbo like virgo.. obviously you never stabbed the throttle at low rpms in 2nd gear on a big single.

 

[OneJoeZee]

say that after u put on a 72mm turbo like virgo.. obviously you never stabbed the throttle at low rpms in 2nd gear on a big single.

I have upgraded twins. Thanks. I know what it's like to stab the throttle at low RPM with turbos that won't hit full boost until the 4500 range.

Kicking the clutch isn't going to spool them any faster.

 

[Boostage]

I watched that 2nd video now too. He kicks the clutch on the Suzuki and breaks traction. I hear a lot of noise but the car doesn't look to accelerate much quicker.

It did pick up acceleration, much quicker? no, its a damn 1.3L suzuki,what do you expect? in a turbo supra it moves. you already showed that you are a liar, and also not man enough to admit when you are wrong. your impossible, very much like Ric johnson. proven wrong but cant admit it much like him. its ok, I dont think your as bad as him, but your not far off at this point. then again your a little worse, as you call him a liar and a hypocrite, yet do the same. Im done with this thread. no need to continue flogging the dead horse. your 20 therefore you know it all like I did at that age mods just lock this.

 

[Yellow 13]

you guys make me laugh.

 

[HIDPLANET]

 

[OneJoeZee]

It did pick up acceleration, much quicker? no, its a damn 1.3L suzuki,what do you expect? in a turbo supra it moves. you already showed that you are a liar, and also not man enough to admit when you are wrong. your impossible, very much like Ric johnson. proven wrong but cant admit it much like him. its ok, I dont think your as bad as him, but your not far off at this point. then again your a little worse, as you call him a liar and a hypocrite, yet do the same. Im done with this thread. no need to continue flogging the dead horse. your 20 therefore you know it all like I did at that age mods just lock this.

I'll tell you something.

I just went out for some Mcdonald's and while I Was out there I tried your little clutch kicking again just to humor you. I did it at different RPMs just for good measure. And just so you know, I currently have stock twins on, not my K26/27 turbos.

What happened was exactly what I said pages ago would happen.

I tried it at 2000RPM in 2nd first. Guess what happened? I kicked it, when I let out all I did was bog back down. Then I got a nice good smell of burning clutch. Yeah that was helpful...

Then next I tried it at 3000. I kicked it and let out. Guess what happened? The tires broke free and just spun for about 2-3 seconds before catcthing any traction. It sounded just like the videos you posted. Revs shot up and it sounds like I'm going fast or something but all it is was the tires spinning until the road speed caught up

Trying it any higher than that just resulted in frying the tires even more. Not to mention it would be worthless since I would be making full boost quick in anything after 3000.

I'll tell you something more. I was only doing this at about 50-70% throttle. Full throttle would have surely just roasted the tires even more.

I tried just downshifting first instead and it was much more efficient to just do that then gas it instead of kicking the clutch or whatever.


If I were to try this with my K26/27 turbos, all that would happen would be a bunch of bogging. Quickly stabbing the throttle then kicking the clutch would not be enough time for the turbos to be making any significant boost/power yet. I would still be spooling.


So, just to humor you I went out and fried my tires and clutch a little just to reassure myself of exactly what I said would happen in the first place. Kicking the clutch will either be frying the clutch until the drivetrain catches up to the engine, I will just bog, or something will break. Luckly number 3 never happened. All I had to do was take a quick sniff to know this isn't something that should be done on any kind of regularly basis. I wouldn't even say every now and then. All I ended up doing was smelling burning clutch or smelling burning tire. Totally not worth shocking my entire drivetrain, right down to the motormounts, for basically no reason.

If it makes you feel any better, I'll try it again when I put my TT kit back on.

The only reason that Suzuki picked up a little quicker was because it's an underpowered piece of shit. I don't drive an underpowered shit box. I don't need to kick my clutch to make power. Any car with some decent power would just roast the tires as I just experienced. And I wasn't even at WOT!

In conclusion, if you drive a no power shit box car, kick your clutch all you want. Doing so with any decent kind of power just spins tires. If you're a drifter, this works really well to initiate a drift. Have fun frying clutches, tires, and abusing the shit out of your drivetrain if this method is for you.

Thanks,

-Joseph