how hard is it to remove the anti lock and make it a standard brake system? because mine is perty much dead weight.. it dosent work(= lol
antilock brakes question
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Fix it. It will probably cost less, and will be much safer for me if I ever am driving in front of you in traffic.
so what could be wrong with them? the abs light just came on one day and now they dont work.. the wheels just lock up when i slam on the brakes...
Pull the code and find out what's wrong yourself:
http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK3/manual.aspx?S=BR&P=51
http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK3/manual.aspx?S=BR&P=51
+1 for fix, not worth the trouble or weight savings, prolly in the 1-5lbs range. Not to mention when you have one time where you need it and it saves you from totaling your car, it will be that much more worth the money and time to fix it.
Big heavy cars aren't fun or easy to correct in a loss of control when on a street in traffic.
Big heavy cars aren't fun or easy to correct in a loss of control when on a street in traffic.
ABS not only stops you from locking up, but allows you to brake AND steer at the same time without losing control
fix it, as the weight savings is marginal and my ABS has saved my ass a couple times
fix it, as the weight savings is marginal and my ABS has saved my ass a couple times
Much as I think you should likely fix it as well, it's not difficult to switch to regular brakes. It isn't very cost effective, however, the parts from Toyota are ~$400.
I hate ABS, Id rather full control over my brakes. Just learn proper braking and youll be fine without ABS. Although I dont live where it snows and rains often so thats a big factor.
ABS controls each front wheel and the rear wheels independant of eachother...
you don't have 3 brake pedals, nor the ability to control them all.
you MIGHT be able to outbrake an ABS car in a straight line, but try doing it in an emergency situation, or pushing it to the very edge with steering and brakes at the same time, and have fun kissing the guardrail.
you don't have 3 brake pedals, nor the ability to control them all.
you MIGHT be able to outbrake an ABS car in a straight line, but try doing it in an emergency situation, or pushing it to the very edge with steering and brakes at the same time, and have fun kissing the guardrail.
Poodles said:
Not to mention the "Oh-Shit factor" as you begin to realize you and/or your car might not make it threw whats ahead taking a toll on your reactions and control of yourself in the situation. you can "learn" to brake as good as you want but not even Michael Schumacher can match what ABS has to offer, Even on dry pavement.
you have full control until you skid, why would you want to skid anyway, flat spots on tires that cost 150+ a piece can be a costly thing
iwannadie said:
I don't care how super human you think you are, you'll never be able to manipulate the breaks better then the ABS computer. People really need to quite swallowing this initial D, ricer bull crap that everybody loves to drink up. Very few people in the world are faster than ABS, and in a car as heavy as ours it's even more difficult. Unless you have a track car, the ABS system in these cars is a good thing to have, for the sake of you and those around you.
Time for some mythbusting, folks.
ABS is a great system, we all agree, right? So why is it that it hasn't dropped the number of accidents? Read this article: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/vrtc/ca/lvabs.htm. A bit from it:
So, are people overconfident with ABS? Are they simply steering off the road and killing themselves with ABS, instead of skidding into the back of the guy in front of them and killing themselves? Have the brake systems improved significantly since they were introduced? If the last one is the case, we'd better be careful, because ours are definitely first generation ABS.
ABS is a great system, we all agree, right? So why is it that it hasn't dropped the number of accidents? Read this article: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/vrtc/ca/lvabs.htm. A bit from it:
So, are people overconfident with ABS? Are they simply steering off the road and killing themselves with ABS, instead of skidding into the back of the guy in front of them and killing themselves? Have the brake systems improved significantly since they were introduced? If the last one is the case, we'd better be careful, because ours are definitely first generation ABS.
Dirgle said:
lol , never said I was super human or a boy racer. I dont like ABS thats all, I grew up on motorcycles with no ABS. Its just a preference and what Im used to. My supra and now my cherokee have no abs and I do fine with out them. You should be aware enough to feel your tires on the verge of lock up and react accordingly, thats not a super human skill. People have done well without abs in alot of vehicles for a long time. Its not like no abs = deadly car.
People have gotten lazy and rely too much on the car to do all the work for them.
iwannadie said:
I can't agree with that, I've pushed pretty hard with both, and at first I hated ABS, But I've come to find that in 85 - 90% of the situations a driver will encounter, a good ABS system is a big benefit, more so if the driver is inexperienced. And to GRIM, While our ABS may be a Toyota first generation, it is light years ahead of the second generation ABS system in my old Chevy Corsica. The ABS in that was utter crap. It was unrefined and useless, and at times even felt dangerous. By comparison the system in our Supra, is wonderful and instills confidence when pushed. It made driving the Supra in winter with good tires actually enjoyable. My Chevy was anything but.
my bro had a chevy truck that his pedal went to the floor because the ABS system failed...
totalled the truck, and nobody would take the case, even though a few years later there was a MASSIVE recall because of it...
The supra's ABS system VERY rarely kicks in on my car, but when it does, it has saved me a few times...
totalled the truck, and nobody would take the case, even though a few years later there was a MASSIVE recall because of it...
The supra's ABS system VERY rarely kicks in on my car, but when it does, it has saved me a few times...
fix it
if its a wheel speed sensor hit the junkyard they are really easy to fix.
remember even race cars have traction control :icon_surp
if its a wheel speed sensor hit the junkyard they are really easy to fix.
remember even race cars have traction control :icon_surp
Like many already said fixed it. The cost and/or weight saving isnt' worth the cost to fix the damage in an accident or event death. Well not that bad isnt' it?
The whole purpose of the ABS system is to keep the wheel from being lockup when you slam (or stand) on the brake. This is what most of us do (slam on the brake) when we are in a panic situation. If the wheel isnt' lockup, it stopping distance is much shorter than a skid car. And if the wheel still spinning, you still have control of the car.
The whole purpose of the ABS system is to keep the wheel from being lockup when you slam (or stand) on the brake. This is what most of us do (slam on the brake) when we are in a panic situation. If the wheel isnt' lockup, it stopping distance is much shorter than a skid car. And if the wheel still spinning, you still have control of the car.
I think most people are overconfident with ABS. Regardless of how good of the system is, without human interaction, car with or without ABS are equally deadly.GrimJack said:
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