Alternative intake route.

[Phantom]

Is there a way where we could have an intake setup that doesn't go over the engine?

It sure would make changing our spark plugs a whole lot easier.

I look at other cars and see how simple it is. Why does the 7M-GE have an intake systems have running from one side, over the engine, to the intake manifold on the opposite side when it would have been easier to just have an intake system from where the master brake cylinder and batteries are?

I know people have done something for the 7MGTE, but does the 7M-GE have one too? If so, how much would it be?

Thanks

 

[Yellow 13]

Search for FFIM.

 

[CRE]

It's designed the way it is for the ACIS system (on N/A's at any rate). Converting to something else is possible, but most setups will cost you power at one end or another of the power band.

What so hard about changing our spark plugs?

 

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

It's designed the way it is for the ACIS system (on N/A's at any rate). Converting to something else is possible, but most setups will cost you power at one end or another of the power band.

What so hard about changing our spark plugs?

taking off the center piece, along with the TB, not to mention you have to get a new gasket every time you change the spark plugs. getting an FFIM would also make changing the HG go a lot faster too I think.

 

[iwannadie]

taking off the center piece, along with the TB, not to mention you have to get a new gasket every time you change the spark plugs. getting an FFIM would also make changing the HG go a lot faster too I think.

Those gaskets cost what 2 bucks?

Also, the least of my worries when doing a BHG was the time it took to remove the TB. During the whole bhg job I must have pulled the TB off 10 times. Its amazing how quick it comes off by the 10th time.

If you Really Really try you can get all the plugs out and back in with the TB in place. A few tricky extensions and U joints will work Ive done it. It takes longer to do it that way than pull the TB though. 4 bolts on the TB and 2 mounting brakets is easy. You dont even need to undo the hoses just lift the TB up a few inches.

 

[CRE]

^^Yeah, you're making it out to be harder than it is. Regardless this is academic. IMO, there's more to be lost than the quicker spark plug replacement is worth.

 

[jmanbball]

You dont have to take off the center piece to change plugs.

 

[chris717]

so what tools exactly do you need to change the spark plugs..
i just got some NGK v-power plugs, for my N.a
what else do i need just to change the plugs:1zhelp:

 

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

Those gaskets cost what 2 bucks?

Also, the least of my worries when doing a BHG was the time it took to remove the TB. During the whole bhg job I must have pulled the TB off 10 times. Its amazing how quick it comes off by the 10th time.

If you Really Really try you can get all the plugs out and back in with the TB in place. A few tricky extensions and U joints will work Ive done it. It takes longer to do it that way than pull the TB though. 4 bolts on the TB and 2 mounting brakets is easy. You dont even need to undo the hoses just lift the TB up a few inches.

meh, thats 2 bucks you dont need to spend. I'm a tight-wad when it comes to money, so I look for all the chances I can to save money. I'm also really adamant about saving time, thats why I pointed out the increased speed in HG changes. my friend has gone through four heads in his protege because he has nitrous, and keeps blowing out the exhaust valves, and the fact that we dont have to take the intake manifold apart, along w/ it being a FWD 4cyl. engine makes a head swap a 45min. job. he carries a spare head in the trunk whenever we go to the races, and we've already changed it once on the side of the road already. its hella fun to see the looks on peoples faces when we roll up after blowing out half the exhaust valves like an hour before. hahah they're like "didnt you just blow your engine?" and we simply replied "yeah... and?" hahah the dumbest looks on their faces...

 

[cuel]

It only takes what, an extra 2 min.'s to remove the t.b.?

MSD makes an ignition box that will retard the timing a specified amount for you when you trigger the nitrous. You might wanna reset the fuel pressure as well if your running a wet kit. Sounds like its a little lean.

 

[iwannadie]

It only takes what, an extra 2 min.'s to remove the t.b.?

MSD makes an ignition box that will retard the timing a specified amount for you when you trigger the nitrous. You might wanna reset the fuel pressure as well if your running a wet kit. Sounds like its a little lean.

2 minutes even on the side of the road isnt a big deal, to me at least. The cost/savings for changing the setup jsut dont add up. Even if you need to change head gasket once a month the added 2 minutes and 2 bucks arent alot per year. Also, isnt the gasket metal and can be reused as long as its in good shape?

If you want to do it then do it, just doesnt make sense to me to worry about. Especially something that small when your talking about doing head gaskets that often. To me, its like crying over paying extra when your spending a 100 bucks.

 

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

It only takes what, an extra 2 min.'s to remove the t.b.?

MSD makes an ignition box that will retard the timing a specified amount for you when you trigger the nitrous. You might wanna reset the fuel pressure as well if your running a wet kit. Sounds like its a little lean.

we already richened the A/F mixture to compensate, and he does have that kit. he just uses the nitrous a lot, and those heads are weak to begin with, so they blow up a lot. this is also on a car where everything else unrelated to nitrous(and tweaking to accept the nitrous) is completely bone stock, from intake to exhaust. the only reason he put the nitrous in is because he had a kit laying around, and didnt want to take his built car out there every weekend(gets horrible gas mileage), so he threw it in, and just never bothered to take it out.


and those little setbacks can add up to a lot of time if theres enough of them, so its good to cut down on as many as possible.

 

[Mr.SelfDestruct]

2 minutes even on the side of the road isnt a big deal, to me at least. The cost/savings for changing the setup jsut dont add up. Even if you need to change head gasket once a month the added 2 minutes and 2 bucks arent alot per year. Also, isnt the gasket metal and can be reused as long as its in good shape?

If you want to do it then do it, just doesnt make sense to me to worry about. Especially something that small when your talking about doing head gaskets that often. To me, its like crying over paying extra when your spending a 100 bucks.

well, I also would probably make the FFIM myself, as opposed to buying one, so there would be a significantly lower cost than going out and buying one, so I would do it. but this person may not have the ability or experience to be able to do it, so it may be better to opt out of an ffim in his case.

 

[SupaMan]

You dont have to take off the center piece to change plugs.

:withstupi you dont even have to disconnect the hoses from the TB just unbolt it and move it out of the way gently, if you cant move it far then work around it.

 

[supramacist]

I like the way the engine is set up. Stop checking your plugs and just change them out once every now and again and problem solved.

The gasket connecting the tb to y pipe it sturdy and will withstand being loosened and tightened a few times and ya they are pretty cheap.

It seems to me that this entire topic is overly redundent.

 

[chris717]

I have some v-power ngk plugs, are they gaped already or do i have to gap them myself???

 

[Yellow 13]

I have some v-power ngk plugs, are they gaped already or do i have to gap them myself???

Check the gaps and find out?

You'll probally have to gap them yourself.

 

[Phantom]

I was just wondering if there was a alternative solution for the intake route.

Hey it's been done on a 7MGTE, so I thought why not on a NA.

Hey if you like the way the engine is setup from stock, fine. Good.

Me, it's all about being a little different and making things a little easier.

Power loss, maybe I could find out more on this.

It does make me wonder why most of the cars I have encountered takes no more than 15 minutes to change the spark plugs. For the 7M, about an hour.

Maybe this doesn't matter to most people, but for me I think the valve covers looks nice and it is too bad most of it is covered up by the intake.

 

[CRE]

Do some research on the ACIS system.

 

[Phantom]

Will do, thanks.

Why do people do this for the 7MGTE if there is power loss? Or is this only for the NA?