jetjock;1739538 said:
I'll ignore that low blow attempt at stereotyping except to say no explanation is needed and there are plenty of Californians as upset as I am about what the state has become in regards to not only gun rights but a myriad of other issues.
I remind you most Californians are not representative of those in the three large urban areas. This is a mostly conservative place that happens to be run by crazies kept in power by an even crazier minority. Not to mention the vast majority of counties here are effectively shall-issue.
According to the laws, political results and the most recent studies, your statement is inaccurate.
At the close of registration for the June 2010 primary election, 17 million of the 23.5 million eligible adults in the state were registered to vote: 44.5% as Democrats, 30.8% as Republicans, 20.2% as decline to state or independents, and 4.5% as other parties. The number of registered voters in the state has grown by 1.3 million since June 2006. The number of registered Democrats has grown from 6.7 to 7.6 million, and the number of independents from 3 to 3.4 million, while the number of Republicans edged down from 5.4 to 5.2 million. Compared to the partisan gap among registered voters, the gap among those most likely to vote in our surveys is narrower (44% say they are Democrats, 35% Republicans).
Overall, you're a minority out there, and a shrinking one at that. You're fighting an uphill battle. When looked at objectively, your state government is so intrusive it's not even funny. California is one of the handful of places in this country that I will not live or do business. I've turned down excellent jobs and business opportunities simply because they would subject me to the legal, tax and regulatory jurisdiction of that government. I refuse to subject myself to, or help feed the monster you folks have allowed to grow out there.
jetjock;1739538 said:
I was talking about hard core open carriers, those who do it more than occasionally. They're little more than attention whores. Simply because it's legal to do something doesn't mean it should be done or that doing is practical.
You're talking to someone whose been around guns all his life, has carried for years, and does so in places very few can. I'm not anti-gun by any stretch of the imagination but hard core open carry nuts make me queasy. Like all gun nuts they do a disservice to the majority of firearm owners who're not. Imo they do more harm than good to the overall 2A cause.
And I'll try to ignore your California-centric narrow view of this. In GA there's no such thing as a CCW. It's simply a weapons license (applies to knives as well). Here you carry however you want, concealed or not. I conceal when it's convenient for me and I don't when it's not. As I've stated, I open carry nearly daily in the summer, nice to know that classifies me as attention whore that makes you queasy.
And since we're talking about advancing 2A rights, I'll take my local carry organizations track record with removing restrictive legislation from the books over yours any day. With the recent Cal-Gun/Ben Cannon debacles, your largest "rights" organization (CalGuns) outside of the NRA has done a lot over the last 2 years to discredit itself. Hell, even a lot of very pro 2A people outside of California don't take it seriously anymore. I'm sure going forward the liberals will just chuckle, shake their heads and go back to stripping away what few rights you've got left.
Meanwhile, down here, we attention whores are down to quibbling over minutiae with our government. We're chipping away at the last few restrictive laws that slightly limit our 2A rights. (Right now it's the law that prohibits carry in churches even if you are licensed.) We've already gotten restrictions against carrying in malls, mass transit, public gatherings, bars, etc removed from the books.
I do understand where you're coming from to an extent, but in this case I think you're applying your local circumstance to all places and cases, many of which where it doesn't apply. I wouldn't open carry in California, but then again I do my damnedest to avoid even setting foot in California. Same goes for NY or IL.
jessemkiiis;1739557 said:
Comfort is my biggest goal, it's fuckin hot and humid in Alabama.
This makes dressing to CC a pain.
Same here. Like I said, I CC when it's practical and/or less than moderately uncomfortable. I'd follow that link and work with the locals to determine what you can/can't do down there.
