Al-Queada, says not giving up.

[Nick M]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060911/D8K2NDBO2.html

A few excerpts for you all...

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Osama bin Laden's deputy warned that Persian Gulf countries and Israel would be al-Qaida's next targets, according to a new videotape aired by Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera on Monday, the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks....

Ayman al-Zawahri accused the governments of Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia of supporting Israel's war against Hezbollah in Lebanon....

Addressing the West, the al-Qaida No. 2 said: "You should not waste your time in reinforcing your troops in Iraq and Afghanistan because they are doomed to defeat and are already all but defeated."

"Instead, you have to reinforce your troops in two regions. First is the Gulf, where you will be thrown out after you are defeated in Iraq, at which point your economic ruin will be achieved," he said. "The second is Israel, because the jihad reinforcements are getting closer to it."

"What is so terrible in this resolution ... is that it approves the existence of the Jewish state and isolates our mujahedeen in Palestine from Muslims in Lebanon," he said in excerpts of the video aired on Al-Jazeera television....


The video shows the Egyptian-born al-Zawahri dressed in white and seated in front of a wall of bookshelves as he is interviewed by an unseen person. The full video is an hour and 16 minutes, the stations said....

"Planning for Sept. 11 did not take place behind computer monitors or radar screens, nor inside military command and control centers, but was surrounded with divine protection in an atmosphere brimming with brotherliness ... and love for sacrificing life," an unidentified narrator said....

"If we are content with being humiliated and inclined to comfort, the tooth of the enemy will stretch from Jerusalem to Mecca, and then everyone will regret on a day when regret is of no use," al-Ghamdi said...

The video showed events up to 10 years before the Sept. 11 attacks - U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia during the 1991 Gulf War and bin Laden preaching to followers after the 1998 attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Sudan. It also showed events afterward including a man in an orange jumpsuit at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba....

Humiliated? The liberal media says we are losing and more vunerable? I wonder if Katie knows this yet?

 

[Stanzaspeed]

Al-Queada disgusts me. They are all cowards.

They can blow hot air all they want, Im cheerin for your country's servicemen / women nick. They are dong a hell of a job.

 

[IJ.]

Park
Glass
Car

Shuffle these for the solution......

 

[7MA61]

Sorry but do you really think they wouldn't retaliate between Israel and America you have bombed the living fuck out of the middle east and started wars on false pretences, I'm pretty sure if someone bombed my country I'd want to seek retribution on them.

Yay lets go to Iraq despite the fact at the time they had no links with Al Qeada at the time, had no chemical weapons etc etc and kill thousands of civillians cripple their infrastructure and cause a civil war.

Israel has blanket bomb southern Lebanon over what 2 soldiers hmmm seems fair.

Whilst attacks like september 11 were not warranted anything from then on despite the fact of it being very disturbing is no different to what America has done in the name of spreading democracy elsewhere.

 

[Nick M]

He said he does not approve that Israel is allowed to exist. It isn't a matter of Israel attack somebody, they are only defending themselves from the arab haters.

1949 Arab terrorists declared war on Israel for existing. They are anti-semetic, just like you and a few others on this site.

Hussein murdered hundreds of thousands of people, and used chemical weapons. It is well documented. Welcome to the minus one club.

edited for decency

 

[Nick M]

Our hatred for the Jews dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet. That for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty

 

[7MA61]

Hussein murdered hundreds of thousands of people, and used chemical weapons. It is well documented. Welcome to the minus one club.

Key word used, these weapons no longer existed when America invaded and they knew that yet this was the whole premise for waging the war.

Besides they weren't weapons they just gased them.

Yes Iraq was fucked, Saddam was corrupt but I fail to see how America has actually made it any better, its now in civil war and the whole place resembles an ashtray because it has been blanket bombed so much.

No Im not anti-semite, Israel has a right to exist, what they don't have a right to do is bomb the living hell out of a neighbouring country over 2 soldiers despite the fact they hold thousands of ppl from both Palestine and Lebanon in prisons without charge.

So they lost 2 soldiers, compare that to the thousands of ppl they killed in the bombings, the billions of dollars in damage that now America, Europe, Australia now has to spend rebuilding it for them. It was a pointless attack and has achieved nothing but greater hieghten the risk of revenge attacks and also increase the hared of Israel by its neighbours.

American wouldn't of gone into Iraq if the weapons actually existed because pushed up against a wall with nothing to lose Saddam would of used them, I don't see America going into North Korea, why because they actually have nuclear capabilities and have no issue launching bombs at the US should they invade.

America isn't stupid they pick their fights they know they can win (except for vietnam) and also gain something out of. Iraq has oil Korea has nothing hence their is no point going in their to spread democracy.

Call me a cynic, i don't care America went to Iraq for one reason only and that was Oil.

It fine if you want to bring religion into this but hey look at all the wars Christianity has caused over the last 2000+ years, sorry but we are just as bad if not worse then them in our history. Look at America's own history and racial issues in the past all which stem from strains of christianity.

Islam is the same with any religion, there is extremists on all sides.

 

[jdub]

Park
Glass
Car

Shuffle these for the solution......

B61...full yield
A "little" demo

 

[Nick M]

Key word used, these weapons no longer existed when America invaded and they knew that yet this was the whole premise for waging the war.

More history time. In 1991 after Hussein invaded his neighbor and accused them of cross drilling(which was later shown to be false), we found stock piles. He was ordered to destroy them as part of the cease fire agreement. And he was to show the inspectors that he did. Instead, he booted them out, over and over again. That is why Bill and Hillary Clinton, and the whole DNC said Hussein should be taken out. Of course, it was just one of many reasons.

Besides they weren't weapons they just gased them.

A weapon is a tool used to kill or harm. That is what a WMD is. A bullet only kills one person, but a bomb laced with sarin nerve gas will kill many thousands.

Yes Iraq was fucked, Saddam was corrupt but I fail to see how America has actually made it any better, its now in civil war and the whole place resembles an ashtray because it has been blanket bombed so much.

I take it you haven't been there. Why don't you ask our Iraqi brother on the board?

No Im not anti-semite, Israel has a right to exist, what they don't have a right to do is bomb the living hell out of a neighbouring country over 2 soldiers despite the fact they hold thousands of ppl from both Palestine and Lebanon in prisons without charge.

They fuck they don't. And you openly supported the terrorists and said they are in the right.

What is so terrible in this resolution ... is that it approves the existence of the Jewish state

And your response..

Israel and America you have bombed the living fuck out of the middle east and started wars on false pretences, I'm pretty sure if someone bombed my country I'd want to seek retribution on them.

So they lost 2 soldiers, compare that to the thousands of ppl they killed in the bombings,

Israel killed thousands of people? Where did you pull that one from? Hezbollah is the Al-Queda type arm of Iran, created in 1982 for the purpose of destroying Israel. They only ones that kill indescriminately are terrorists that shoot rockets into civillian neighborhoods. And you competely ignore that.

the billions of dollars in damage that now America, Europe, Australia now has to spend rebuilding it for them. It was a pointless attack and has achieved nothing but greater hieghten the risk of revenge attacks and also increase the hared of Israel by its neighbours.

Pre 9-11 mentality. It won't happen.

American wouldn't of gone into Iraq if the weapons actually existed because pushed up against a wall with nothing to lose Saddam would of used them,

So the American soldiers went in with the NBC gear because they thought it looked neat?

I don't see America going into North Korea, why because they actually have nuclear capabilities and have no issue launching bombs at the US should they invade.

It is hard to say. China does not want to lose their economy if North Korea attacks. North Korea was identified as part of the axis of evil, after 9-11. And the left said, no they weren't. Now they are again. You are playing partisian politics, so you can get a socialist in power. Whatever the president does, you will be against.

America isn't stupid they pick their fights they know they can win

No shit. You always pick your battles carefully.

(except for vietnam)

We didn't lose, we left.

and also gain something out of. Iraq has oil Korea has nothing hence their is no point going in their to spread democracy.

We did not go to Iraq for oil, so no need to refute.

Call me stupid, i don't care America went to Iraq for one reason only and that was Oil.

It fine if you want to bring religion into this but hey look at all the wars Christianity has caused over the last 2000

We are not holding anybody responsible for things done 2000 years ago. Just right now. Name two wars started by those incorrectly calling themselves Christian. You can't. But I can list countless against them.

sorry but we are just as bad if not worse then them in our history.

Try again. Already pointed out.

Look at America's own history and racial issues in the past all which stem from strains of christianity

Uh, racism does not come from Christianity. Show me where Jesus said to judge according to race. Or where Paul did.

Islam is the same with any religion, there is extremists on all sides.

What a cop out. Al-Queda is the extremists. You make a bunch of points to try and prove yourself, and then drop this golden parachute.:3d_frown:

edited for decency, again

 

[7MA61]

Israel killed thousands of people? Where did you pull that one from? Hezbollah is the Al-Queda type arm of Iran, created in 1982 for the purpose of destroying Israel. They only ones that kill indescriminately are terrorists that shoot rockets into civillian neighborhoods. And you competely ignore that.

Are you that ignorant to think not one bomb went astray in the recent raid by Israel, Apartment blocks and whole towns were flattened, these were occupied by average civillians not Hesbollah.

Sure they might of had one apartment with members in it, but they flattened the whole complex so you kill 5 hesbollah members and how many other hundred occupants are in there or atleast flatten their house.

Sorry but Israely bombs don't dicriminate either, and if hesbollah actually had the funds to use guided missiles they wouldn't just be aimlessly launching them across the border besides majority crashed into hillsides anyway.

The Israely toll was tiny compared to the civillian casualties in southern Lebanon, hell the Israely's bombed an international media convoy that had already notified them of their travel route and also a couple of ambulances hardly what i'd call terrorist targets.

Yes the bombs are more accurate but collateral damage as America likes to refer to it as still happens. Just because the missiles are fired by an army does not make it right.

As for the men and women sreving for America and Israel, thats their job and they do as they are told.

I do not support terrorist acts of any kind, but what I am saying is how is what an army is doing any different aparts from the fact they have a government behind them.

 

[Nick M]

Are you that ignorant to think not one bomb went astray in the recent raid by Israel, Apartment blocks and whole towns were flattened, these were occupied by average civillians not Hesbollah.

Wrong on both parts. Of course 500 lb bombs don't hit every target. That is combat. But the amount of innocent civillian casulties by the Israeli army is extremely low compared to the intnetional murder of Israeli citizens. First you back Al-Queda, now Hezbollah. Nice to know who you stand with. The sad part is, any member of that group would rape your mother in front of you, murder her, then hang you from the ceiling for no reason other than you are not muslim, and you are a citizen of a US and Israeli ally. Keep kidding yourself.

Sure they might of had one apartment with members in it, but they flattened the whole complex so you kill 5 hesbollah members and how many other hundred occupants are in there or atleast flatten their house.

Since Hezbollah hides in civillian clothling to hide their numbers, the exact amount will not be known. Of course you are greatly exagerting the number of civillians killed by the Israelis. Probably from wiki or some other shitty source.

Sorry but Israely bombs don't dicriminate either, and if hesbollah actually had the funds to use guided missiles they wouldn't just be aimlessly launching them across the border besides majority crashed into hillsides anyway.

Guided bombs do. Hezbollah is well funded by Iran. This is well documented. Are you going to post anything factual? Or just keep bouncing all over the place redirecting since you are wrong? Hezbollah indiscrimenately shoots rockets into Israel to kill civillians beause they do not believe Jews have the right to a sovereign state. Something you obviously don't believe either. And Israel dropped our laser guided bombs on their rocket launchers.

The Israely toll was tiny compared to the civillian casualties in southern Lebanon, hell the Israely's bombed an international media convoy that had already notified them of their travel route and also a couple of ambulances hardly what i'd call terrorist targets.

And muslim terrorists do it on purpose, not accident.

Yes the bombs are more accurate but collateral damage as America likes to refer to it as still happens. Just because the missiles are fired by an army does not make it right.

And fired by terrorists does? Yes being attacked by muslims trying to destroy the Israeli state does make it right for Israel to defend itself.

As for the men and women sreving for America and Israel, thats their job and they do as they are told.

Don't patronize them insincerely.

I do not support terrorist acts of any kind, but what I am saying is how is what an army is doing any different aparts from the fact they have a government behind them.

NIce one John Kerry, a flip flop in the same sentence. You don't support terror of any kind, but what they do is ok because Israel does it to them.

You have spent plenty of time defending Al-Queda and Hezbolla, yet you say you don't support terror states. Who are you Bill Clinton?

 

[IJ.]

Nick: I don't know what revisionist crap they teach there but Vietnam was a loss! (It was unwinnable given the constraints that the US fought under)

Hence my earlier post it's the only way this one won't end up exactly the same....

Simple math is the answer ie: 3000+ dead in the WTC = 300,000 of them dead minimum then maybe they'd get the message.
(You can't win against an enemy that has no clearly defined combatants)

Normally I don't enter these threads so will withdraw and just keep an eye on it that it doesn't get out of hand!

 

[7MA61]

What I am saying is I don't condone their actions, but you can expect its going to happen, if you put yourself if their shoes, if someone was bombing your country would you not want to fight back.

Neither side is in the right and I don't condone either sides actions, but what I am saying is I can understand why they are taking said actions because well would you just standby and watch you country get flattened.

My sources = real pictures of southern lebanon broad cast through our television networks, whole cities were flattened, now to me that doesn't sound like a targeted bomb to take out a rocket launching post, and you can't say that the entire population of the town probably around 50,000+ were Hesbollah members.

That wasn't laser guided missiles, it was just blanket bombing, also bombing infrastructure like the airport and major highways greatly hampered humantarian efforts to rescue foreigners and provide aid to those injured.

1j. agreed on vietnam, it seems they are tought a very different history to what we are and more then likely the recent invasion of Lebanon being broadcast quite differently.

Slightly off topic but Japanese students aren't even tought about WW2 in history, its forgotten, when we had jap students in our school out of respect it wasn't mentioned whilst they were over here.

 

[lagged]

i must say this: israel is not a very good friend. us backing them up is no problem, but they have a nasty habbit of killing innocent civilians.

am i defending the actions of palestinians, or some other arab psychopaths? no way in hell.

but my point is this, israel as a government seems just as crazy.

isolationism FTW.

 

[Nick M]

Nick: I don't know what revisionist crap they teach there but Vietnam was a loss! (It was unwinnable given the constraints that the US fought under)

I did say we left. The US won every major battle and campaign. Leaving was the one smart thing Nixon ever did.

 

[Nick M]

isolationism FTW.

I would agree in many cases. But Israel can not do it. I wish they could.

What is so terrible in this resolution ... is that it approves the existence of the Jewish state

The original anti Israeli terror groups said they would try to end the state of Israel to every last ounce of blood, in 1949 after the UN Partisian agreement.

Ariel Sharon said, fine you can have it. But the bombings did not stop.

What I am saying is I don't condone their actions, but you can expect its going to happen, if you put yourself if their shoes, if someone was bombing your country would you not want to fight back.

Israel did not strike first.

 

[bigaaron]

See, you guys in Australia can probably get more unbiased media coverage about this war. In America, there are a majority of brainwashed people who believe all the shit they hear and see in our media, and they really thought there was a good reason to go into Iraq to retaliate for 9/11. This majority is so idiotic that now even after our own Senate is saying that we went to war under false pretenses, and that the public was purposely misled, they still stand behind our lying, religiously fanatic president. It's really the Christians (America led by Bush), against Muslims. After 9/11 it was a perfect opportunity for Bush to get the financing to finish what his daddy started. While the public was scared, it was a great time to take more of our privacy rights away too. But it's cool, we can just lie to our troops about when they will be coming home and hold them indefinitely, while getting more troops with the back door draft and enlistment from other brainwashed young people willing to fight and die for a liar. I'll never forget that idiot Bush standing on that aircraft carrier lying through his teeth with a sign over his head saying "mission accomplished". That was 2003 folks. Everything he says is either ridiculously stupid or a total lie.

 

[Adjuster]

Let me put this into perspective from someone who's actually lived in the middle east.
2.5 years in Iran, 1975 to 1978. We left just before 1979, and the Shaw bugged out of his own country due to the rebellion of the Shite's in that country.
Almost 9 years in Saudi Arabia, I was there in 90 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, and was supposed to be in Kuwait actually the week it was invaded, but ended up going one week early, so I'm here today to write down this stuff, and try and change opinions I suppose.

Here is what I learned in both these countries.

#1. Religion rules everything.

And Islam is not peaceful, nice and fluffy. It's nasty, mean and convert's by the sword, and it's proud of it.

Sure there are nice people everywhere, and Arabs and Persians can be very gracious hosts, and wonderfull friends. BUT, if they are trained from the time they are concieved to hate "the great satan" and the USA, you now are dealing with an entire combination of people who hate the USA, hate the West, and are bent on starting and achieving the world wide domination of Islam everywhere.

What can you do with this type of ingrained hate? Blowing up a few Hezboallah is a good start inshalla, but we need more.

Humdeallah, we should blow up all the ones that hate the USA and the west, and do it quickly. Mafemishkallah, we should do it now.

Just float some baksheesh to the leaders of those "radical" Islamic places, and they will sell out their own people like rats jumping from a sinking ship.

What cracks me up is the whole struggle for Israel. That place is mostly rocks, and even though it has some very nice places, it's just land, and people are dying over rocks and dirt for nothing. Give it up Arabs/Palestine. Your oldest brother Esaw, sold your birthright to Isak for a bowl of soup, and Abraham blessed the land to the Jews.

You can complain about it all you want, but that's the way the cookie crumbles, so don't get your thobe in a bunch.

To all you people who support terrorism, please move to terrorist supported lands, and do it quickly. That way we can target you with bombs sooner rather than later.

 

[Nick M]

My sources = real pictures of southern lebanon broad cast through our television networks, whole cities were flattened, now to me that doesn't sound like a targeted bomb to take out a rocket launching post, and you can't say that the entire population of the town probably around 50,000+ were Hesbollah members.

Real photos? Surely you jest.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N07348592.htm

http://www.tripso.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8348&mode=threaded

Which photos? The two most widely publicized photos of destruction. Why alter a combat photo anyway? Explosions not big enough?

That wasn't laser guided missiles, it was just blanket bombing, also bombing infrastructure like the airport and major highways greatly hampered humantarian efforts to rescue foreigners and provide aid to those injured.

More importantly, it greatly hampered islamic terror group Hezbollah.

1j. agreed on vietnam, it seems they are tought a very different history to what we are and more then likely the recent invasion of Lebanon being broadcast quite differently.

No, just an incomplete one. Unless you are talking about war crimes by people like John Kerry. Viet Nam was a slaughter. An esitmated 1,000,000 NVA and VC were KIA. The US slowly pulled out, and Saigon was over run.

Slightly off topic but Japanese students aren't even tought about WW2 in history, its forgotten, when we had jap students in our school out of respect it wasn't mentioned whilst they were over here.

I have heard that.

Of course Israel used tanks and artillery too. But they do not kill indescriminately. Unlike Hezbollah which fired thousands and thousands of rockets at civillian targets.

 

[Nick M]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-OErB9peo9M

Watch a few Hezbollah videos of their just crusade. There are a few dozen of them launching from behind civillian shields.