adjusting dampers - tein flex

[supisarethebest]

wich springs would be an all around spring,or suspension?

 

[Alec]

wich springs would be an all around spring,or suspension?

 

[1-2clutch-u]

live and learn boys be brave and wast money or go with the flow. id say 14 front wold be the max id want to run for street use had 12k and it was ok for the burbs but not the city.

 

[gotsomegetsome]

well in theory, less energy lost to the stiffer suspension translates to more energy for moving forward, so this is somewhat true.

if you don't beleive me, ride a hardtai and full suspension bike up a hill. see which one takes more energy to get to the top.

:3d_frown:

 

[Clip]

i definitely like the 12 front, 6 rear on the flexs. I was about to go with the Tein Super Streets at 16 front, 9 rear but find that these are plenty stiff for a DD. I'm glad they've still got a little give to give me some traction on roads around here

 

[adampecush]

I am pretty sure this has been proven false time and time again, I even think on Mythbusters! The energy is simply transferred but not lost. The energy "lost to the shocks" is transfered back as the shocks return. Such that some of your downward force makes the suspension compress yet the energy is returned when the shock springs you back up. The real difference is in the weight between the 2 types of bikes. Hardtails are usually much lighter.

Seth

For an undampened spring under ideal conditions, sure. However, the dampening of a shock will absorb energy (thus not catapaulting the rider/driver upon hitting a large obstacle).

 

[Keros]

Adam, I see your point about the mountain bike comparison, however, my soft tail bike is like riding a hardtail bike, uphill. Giant used a one way valve that prevents the shock from being pulled around by torque on the chain... I'm not really sure exactly how it works, but it is like riding a hardtail as long as you sit on the seat. The shock looks like it has an oil reservoir, but it's actually the crazy valve.

If you stand up and pedal, the shock's valving is negated because your body movements are pretty big and bob the suspension anyway. My point though, is that would a soft tail still bob if it had a shaft drive instead of a chain?

While I'd have to agree with Setheron, but perhaps there would be a milage difference but nothing we could measure because of the fact that energy is conserved in the springs and the only "lost" forward energy is shed as heat in the shocks themselves.

 

[Alec]

Stance normally comes with 14k front, 10k rear. Are those decent rates?

 

[shaeff]

Such that some of your downward force makes the suspension compress yet the energy is returned when the shock springs you back up. The real difference is in the weight between the 2 types of bikes. Hardtails are usually much lighter.

Generally the shock won't "spring you back up". That's the job of the spring. A damper's job is to control spring movement.

 

[sethron71]

Generally the shock won't "spring you back up". That's the job of the spring. A damper's job is to control spring movement.

Yea I know it was an exaggeration to illustrate what I was saying. But needless to say I ride my full suspension MB(Ellsworth ISIS) pretty damn hard up hill, downhill, off drops, everywhere for 2hrs non-stop and the shocks never get warm as to have much energy transfer at all.

Seth

 

[Clip]

Stance normally comes with 14k front, 10k rear. Are those decent rates?

Talk to Borhor, he had been very happy with his Stance coilovers when he had his mk3