ABS delete?
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Good tires = rare occasion that the ABS kicks in.
Modern ABS systems are considered "brake assisting" and will actually apply more brake force instead of what you want it to do. I am not of fan of such a system, give me control and ONLY take over when 100% necessary.
ABS stands for Anti-lock Brake System, but it is much more important in being the Ability to Brake and Steer. This is the only area that the supra could be a bit better with a 4 channel system, though with a good LSD it would be fighting the LSD.
Nobody has 3 brake pedals nor the reaction time to modulate them all independantly. The Supra's ABS system is one of the best IMHO when working properly as it doesn't interfear until it has to, and will save your ass when you need it.
Removal IMHO is a dumb move, but it's your car, but I just hope you're not behind me when something stupid like what happened on the way back from Houston last year...
Modern ABS systems are considered "brake assisting" and will actually apply more brake force instead of what you want it to do. I am not of fan of such a system, give me control and ONLY take over when 100% necessary.
ABS stands for Anti-lock Brake System, but it is much more important in being the Ability to Brake and Steer. This is the only area that the supra could be a bit better with a 4 channel system, though with a good LSD it would be fighting the LSD.
Nobody has 3 brake pedals nor the reaction time to modulate them all independantly. The Supra's ABS system is one of the best IMHO when working properly as it doesn't interfear until it has to, and will save your ass when you need it.
Removal IMHO is a dumb move, but it's your car, but I just hope you're not behind me when something stupid like what happened on the way back from Houston last year...
The ABS has saved my ass several times back when I lived in Colorado and the snow. The system the MKIII has was unbelievably better than the one in my 91 Chevy Corsica. I get tired of all the initial d crap too(surprisingly it hasn't appeared much in this thread). One your not faster than an abs system, and two, your not a Pro driver. Do what is necessary and fix your abs system.
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IMO those of you who say it almost cost you a wreck. the abs only kicks in if it needs too... more than likely if you hit the brakes hard enough for the abs to kick in then if you wouldnt have had it you would have locked the tires up...... and we all know when the tires lock up there is no steering your just along for the ride..I know no one here can react and pump the brakes in the heat of a moment where you have to stop very quick as good as a abs system can.. mine works excellant and allows the car to stop quicker without locking the tires up....
I was about to go through a light and it turned yellow and i had to stop we have those stupid cameras up and if your under it when the light turn red you get a ticket even if it just turned red and your pretty much through the intersection well the car in front of me stoped and I can tell you that if I would have had my old supra without the abs it would have locked up the tires and I would have been looking for another supra and my insurance would have jumped... So yeah I would rather have abs... theres just certain things that happen beyond your control and you have to stop in the heat of the moment....
maybe those of you with bad experiences didnt have a proper working abs system....
just my .02 though nothing more...
I was about to go through a light and it turned yellow and i had to stop we have those stupid cameras up and if your under it when the light turn red you get a ticket even if it just turned red and your pretty much through the intersection well the car in front of me stoped and I can tell you that if I would have had my old supra without the abs it would have locked up the tires and I would have been looking for another supra and my insurance would have jumped... So yeah I would rather have abs... theres just certain things that happen beyond your control and you have to stop in the heat of the moment....
maybe those of you with bad experiences didnt have a proper working abs system....
just my .02 though nothing more...
yeah, and the hammering in the pedal when it activates...
but it is very much the whay I like safety systems to work, GTFO of my way unless I need you
but it is very much the whay I like safety systems to work, GTFO of my way unless I need you
Trust me, the hammering in the pedal is hardly noticeable when compared to Chevy and Fords first gen systems, those things were retarded. After I came over from my Corsica I was amazed that all ABS systems weren't that crude.
In all honesty guys, I have laerned to drive with out ABS.... say what you will about me or ABS. I am chosing to delete it for aestetics and for weight reduction as it is non functional anyway. Now If you do not believe my driving skill, I work at the Manheim Auto Auction.... largest whole sale auction in the world. I have driven evry single car sold in the US. I know how different ABS systems function on a car to car basis. Some are nice some scare the sh*t out of me. From learning to drive normally as well as performance/defensive driving, i choose the non ABS route. I feel more comfortable knowing that i can modulate that brake pedal how I want to. Not how some " super computer" thinks i should. The way i see it, until ABS systems have "eyes" to see the road in front of the car, It cant decide when the brakes should be locked or when they should be threshold. And yes I'm going to get flamed over this but hey do what you feel you must. But I do see reasons that the brakes should be under a full lock situation.
Thanks for listening to that. Now back to the subject at hand...... what parts do i need and where, how much, to delete the ABS Unit under the hood.
::fundy::
so back to the debate.
Thanks for listening to that. Now back to the subject at hand...... what parts do i need and where, how much, to delete the ABS Unit under the hood.
::fundy::
so back to the debate.
veedubin;888346 said:
-front brake lines
-proportioning valve
see the EPC for exactly what lines you need.
Best of my knowledge, the ONLY situation where locked brakes might stop better is piled snow or sand.
However, if you WANT to skid so that you can throw the car around in unusual attitudes, then I guess you might want to lock 'em up, but for the application of driving as fast as possible around a track...
However, if you WANT to skid so that you can throw the car around in unusual attitudes, then I guess you might want to lock 'em up, but for the application of driving as fast as possible around a track...
Maybe very deep snow or sand where the wheels would dig in and create a stopping force from the sand buildup in front of the tire from it sinking. Though if your driving on that type of surface with this car A) you will have a hard time driving at all unless you install a lift kit and super swampers and B) after the stop the buildup of snow/sand will be great enough to render the vehicle stuck with only RWD on a car thats quite heavy.
nosechunks;888495 said:
Most recent i can think of excluding the snow thing....... to avoid an unknown animal (groundhog or something) in the middle of the road i was able to lock up and steer the car around the animal. Long story, not too many want to listen. Anywyays If i had abs in the car i was in, it would have kicked in and increased my stopping distance and I feel would have taken some of my control away. So i would have railed said animal. This was not in the supra FYI. I'm sure there are people to sit here and badger back and forth about driving techniques with and without abs. and the whole nine. but for my purposes I want it gone.... It's inop any way...... the HCU is bad and like 2 of 3 sensors are shot. so why waste my time and money fixing a sub standard "saftey device" when i can ust continue to drive as i have done for years. I do hope I'm not coming off as an ass but that's the way I feel.
jetjock;891584 said:
I'm not sure how all this got to were it is... was a simple question to be answered... if some one felt nice enough. Anyways I'm putting an end to this so as to not start any more shit..... mods.. please delete this thread. By the way I would appreciate it if you were to know me a little more before you call me ignorant towards a certain subject.
Apparently he doesn't realize that "lock up" means total loss of control. You no longer have the ability to maneuver or steer the car in any direction. This isn't an argument of opinion, but plain and simple fact. With or without ABS, you want to avoid lock up. That is the purpose of ABS, to maintain control in adverse conditions by avoiding locking up your tires. Yes some systems are better than others than this.
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