So, I reallyh didn't read it in depth, but from what I skimmed it looked very similar to the way the US gov was ORGINALLY set up. Like, before the first Congress started making rules and screwed things up 
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Nick M said:
Ummm....Nick, maybe my point didn't get across to you. I am farthest from the left as there can be.
My point was that his idea will not work because of the left and their big government, take care of everything for everyone, because people are too stupid or don't take the time to be responsnible for themselves or their actions.
Your reply is the same as what I was thinking and the reason his idea would fail. You and I are on the same page here.
Ok, but my point remains. The left believes we are too stupid to do things ourselves.
I am glad you don't think that.
I am glad you don't think that.
Nick M said:
And the inverse is that the right believes that people shoulld one specific religion enforced on them via law.
Regardless if that infringes on the rights of those who don't follow that particular set of religious beliefs....
I find both perspectives equally offensive.
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Just like the "right", these labels are stupid btw, thinks that you don't need any rights or even need to know the truth so they keep you in the dark and covertly attain what they want.Nick M said:
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news flash.. the gov't has been doing this for years regardless of right wing left wing republican democrat one fish two fish red fish blue fish.JustAnotherVictim said:
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Yes, I know I just thought I'd point it out since all you ever hear about is the "left" from Nick and Adjuster.
Supracentral said:
I don't know about the rest of the 'right' but I believe in freedom of religion. I also believe in " mind your own business and i'll mind mine" and as far as the government is concerned "get your hand out of my wallet and leave me alone" My rights should be absolute and extend to myself and my family. As long as I don't hurt anyone or infringe on anyone elses rights I should be free to do what I want.
I'm all for a sales tax to fund the government. You would then have the freedom to fund or not based on what you chose to buy. In fact, the only problem I have with the whole idea is the forced 10 percent charity. The reason is that charity should be voluntary. It should be a reflection of the goodness of the individual's soul. Forcing someone to give negates any value that God would put on the act of giving. Being charitable is something I do because I love God and want to give glory to God. The act of charity means nothing and has no value if it is not voluntary. Some will say that nobody would give unless forced to do so but I have faith in the human race. I think that charity would increase if we had our tax burden lifted.
So lets find that island nation to overthrow and get to work!
And Theresa can be dictator as long as it's a benevolent dictatorship.:biglaugh:
Having Katie Couric, Kieth Olberman, Dan Rather, Brian Williams, or any other news broadcaster call somebody or some one right wing, or left wings, does not make it so. When I do that, I am refering to those that believe in socialism, and it the function of government to provide for your well being.Supracentral said:
You can not have a state religion. My Lord Jesus said no, it will only be free will.
But yes, we do believe in laws that come from "the law" as Moses penned them. They are in basic, murder, stealing, lying, and adultery. The last one is where the Christian coalition and Libertarians start their seperation. But I am not going to go into it. We all know we just don't agree.
You do know you are libertarian. And know, that isn't a label, or a bad thing. That is who you should be voting for.Aaron J Williams said:
Aaron J Williams said:
I wish the rest of your compatriarts felt that way. But attempts to ban gay marriage, passing laws that regulate sexual conduct between consenting adults, prayer in school, etc, it's the norm from that side of the fence these days... You know the drill. If they could stay off trying to legislate religion and just simply try to educate their collective families, I wouldn't have a problem with them.
Aaron J Williams said:
You may actually be one of the few true "christians" I've ever met. You seem to preach the "do unto others as you would have done unto you"... I like it. And I respect it.
Aaron J Williams said:
Or we could all move to New Hampshire and make the free state project a reality...
Aaron J Williams said:
Unfortunately, it wouldn't be, she's actually meaner than I am, and that's not easy to do... LOL!
Nick M said:
Yes, I think your're right Nick, however I think there are a lot of people out there who are Libertarians and just don't know it yet...
Nick M said:
Yes, and that's simply it. If I could get you to stop trying to regulate sexual behavior, you'd be a Libertarian too. C'mon Nick, can't you flex on this one issue?
Supracentral said:Yes, I think your're right Nick, however I think there are a lot of people out there who are Libertarians and just don't know it yet...
Yes, and that's simply it. If I could get you to stop trying to regulate sexual behavior, you'd be a Libertarian too. C'mon Nick, can't you flex on this one issue?
The DNC has waged a mighty war of deception, and done very well. A great deal of people I meet are right wing, or at very least, 3 of the 4 I listed, yet vote left wing. They think Republicans (and Libertarians) only care about their rich friends, another lie that has been beat home that people just assume to be true, but couldn't be further from the truth. Most megaweathly support the DNC, and I will prove it.
edit: I almost forgot.
Jesus said:
What were his commandments? Read the Torah.
Jesus said:
Nick M said:
You don't need to, we've all seen it. Well at least anyone smart (or open minded) enough to be reasoned with has already seen it.
Just for clarification Aaron, I never looked at the 10% as "forced charity". I did look it as a civic responsibility to support the societal needs that the government has no real interest or business fulfilling. Remember that this premise means no more than 20-25% total tax based on consumption - far less than what we currently pay. That leaves far more for people to put out voluntarily as a part of doing what is right as a Christian. The required 10% would certainly not count toward a tithe as it is a tax.
Think of what we do today. The government pisses away far more than 10% of your tax dollars on social programs and entitlements with major waste and not a person in the world would consider it "charitable giving". I was just suggesting a way for tax dollars to actually accomplish something for once.
Oh yeah, and the mandatory public audit of the government every 5 years. Anybody ever ask why that has never been a part of our system? As much as I respect what the founding fathers did, I really think they missed out on demanding fiscal responsibility in government. Anybody disagree? I mean look at social security: the government vows to throw corporate leaders who do handle their company's retirement plans liek social security in prison. How many government leaders have gone to prison for drawing off the SS principle for stupid reasons every step of the way? This isn't about conservatism vs lefyism vs libism. It's about right, wrong and common sense.
Think of what we do today. The government pisses away far more than 10% of your tax dollars on social programs and entitlements with major waste and not a person in the world would consider it "charitable giving". I was just suggesting a way for tax dollars to actually accomplish something for once.
Oh yeah, and the mandatory public audit of the government every 5 years. Anybody ever ask why that has never been a part of our system? As much as I respect what the founding fathers did, I really think they missed out on demanding fiscal responsibility in government. Anybody disagree? I mean look at social security: the government vows to throw corporate leaders who do handle their company's retirement plans liek social security in prison. How many government leaders have gone to prison for drawing off the SS principle for stupid reasons every step of the way? This isn't about conservatism vs lefyism vs libism. It's about right, wrong and common sense.
This may be of interest:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/091406dnnatmoney.300e987.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/091406dnnatmoney.300e987.html
Supracentral said:
Well that's a start toward accountability at least. And it has the benefit of not requiring a bloody revolution like my idea :biglaugh:
Supracentral said:
On top of the George Soros, Bill Gates, and Ted Turners of the world, the PAC money is much bigger on the left also. The "grass roots" donations are larger on the right side. I am at work, when I get home, I have a link I will post for all the donations to the parties. The full truth will be exposed.
Nick, I'm looking forward to the post. I have always believed that bleeding heart libs make a lot of noise, but it's the "heartless wealthy right" that actually gets it done when it comes to charitable donations.
Edit: Oh yeah, and remember that nobody gives money charitably to the government because they truly believe that's the best way to get something done. Another subtle, but excellent example of contradictions on the left.
Edit: Oh yeah, and remember that nobody gives money charitably to the government because they truly believe that's the best way to get something done. Another subtle, but excellent example of contradictions on the left.
I even like the name of the site. Opensecrets.org
Political donations are a matter of public record. The right recieves more money through more donors. The left recieves their money through big donors and PACS. Both take PAC money, don't get me wrong. But look at the top ten.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/index.asp
Time to dog pile.
http://www.newsbusters.org/
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://www.jrwhipple.com/war/wmd.html#Hypocrats
http://www.mrc.org/SpecialReports/2006/sum/sum090806.asp <--op-ed about the media
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/250.html <---the next time a lefty tells you the rich don't pay taxes.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html <---the other side of the arab/Israeli war. Since you only hear about how agressive Israel is. There is a reason.
http://www.globalwarmingisafarce.com/
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html <----op-ed written by MIT atmospheric professor.
http://www.biblegateway.com/ <---can't forget that one.
Ok, back on topic.
Political donations are a matter of public record. The right recieves more money through more donors. The left recieves their money through big donors and PACS. Both take PAC money, don't get me wrong. But look at the top ten.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/index.asp
Time to dog pile.
http://www.newsbusters.org/
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://www.jrwhipple.com/war/wmd.html#Hypocrats
http://www.mrc.org/SpecialReports/2006/sum/sum090806.asp <--op-ed about the media
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/250.html <---the next time a lefty tells you the rich don't pay taxes.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html <---the other side of the arab/Israeli war. Since you only hear about how agressive Israel is. There is a reason.
http://www.globalwarmingisafarce.com/
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html <----op-ed written by MIT atmospheric professor.
http://www.biblegateway.com/ <---can't forget that one.
Ok, back on topic.
too bad the first rule of politics isn't the same as the first rule of fight club.
RULE #1 You don't talk about fight club.
too bad politics doesn't adopt this.
RULE #1 You don't talk about fight club.
too bad politics doesn't adopt this.