A 2JZ swap is easier than you think

[p5150]

i think the hardest part of the swap would be the actual wiring, unless you were to run it off of the 7mgte harness. if something is not tried and proven, then you guys dont believe in it. you shoot down anything that is not in the norm of supra tuning, like the supercharger and now with the 2JZ-GE-T. sure tuning is expensive on a 2j, its also expensive on a 7m. if you are pushing 500+HP, you need a good tune and it will cost the same..regardless of platform. look, p5150 has a good idea and might be on to something here, why dont we back him up and see how it does before we shoot him down. im mean jesus, he isnt forcing you to do it on your motor.
p5150, i got your back. good luck and if you need anything, i might be able to help. dont be afraid to PM.

ninjaedit-

xs power sells a NA-T turbo kit for 1299 shiped, comes with mani, wastegate, turbo (choice of t57 or t61), BOV, FMIC and a downpipe

thanks bro

and by the way, the stock twins wont fit on the NA head because the castings are different. But that doesnt matter anyway because they would be a PITA to work with. We want big power anyway right? You see so many people going big single with the 2jzgte - why not go big single with the 2jzge when the internals are practically identical?

Regardless, the whole point of this was to show somebody where they could get a good GE block

 

[drjonez]

...if something is not tried and proven, then you guys dont believe in it. you shoot down anything that is not in the norm of supra tuning, like the supercharger and now with the 2JZ-GE-T.

exactly.

newsflash- the 2JZ-GE on 7M electronics HAS been done before....certainly not common, but certainly not uncharted territory....

 

[drjonez]

...Regardless, the whole point of this was to show somebody where they could get a good GE block

good effort, but from the looks of it, they'd rather wallow in ignorance...

 

[kylesupra]

ok the internals in the 2jzge are not the same as the internals in the 2jzgte. The internals in the GTE are forged which is why than can be ran to 900+ hp to the wheels. That is the reason that you can not put more than 400 hp through the GE without building it.

 

[p5150]

ok the internals in the 2jzge are not the same as the internals in the 2jzgte. The internals in the GTE are forged which is why than can be ran to 900+ hp to the wheels. That is the reason that you can not put more than 400 hp through the GE without building it.

Uhm - no.

Maybe you should actually read the MKIV TSRM.

Both blocks have identical rods and crank. Both blocks' pistons are pressure cast. The GE piston dish has a little bit less volume which is one reason for a higher compression ratio on the GE. This can be overcome with a thicker head gasket and (optional) some small amounts of material (maybe 1cc)removed from the combustion chamber when deshrouding the valves.

 

[armyastro]

yeah and i know where a bunch of 2jzge engines and tranies are... i have one and a auto trans sitting in my garage collecting dust..... lol anybody wants them let me know and we can work something out... really cheap.... 550 for both.... and i can get the rest of the parts too... there is a junk yard about 40 miles from me that has 4 sc300's with engines still and 4 mk3's 2 are turbos and have engines and trans in them i have the crossmember and the drive shafts too so that might make it easier to fab and install.... i swapped engines and made my auto sc300 a 5 speed and now dont need them... dave h also sells the na-t turbo kits... mani, pt61 turbo, downpipe, and wastegate for around 1700 i think.... that is my next project when the mk3 is finished...

 

[armyastro]

ok the internals in the 2jzge are not the same as the internals in the 2jzgte. The internals in the GTE are forged which is why than can be ran to 900+ hp to the wheels. That is the reason that you can not put more than 400 hp through the GE without building it.

daveh has done it and alot of others have done it.. get your fuel/air right and you can do it .. daveh ran mid 9's on stock bottom ge block and gte head with gte cams and valves

 

[drjonez]

Uhm - no.

Maybe you should actually read the MKIV TSRM.

Both blocks have identical rods and crank. Both blocks' pistons are pressure cast. The GE piston dish has a little bit less volume which is one reason for a higher compression ratio on the GE. This can be overcome with a thicker head gasket and (optional) some small amounts of material (maybe 1cc)removed from the combustion chamber when deshrouding the valves.

exactly. the big diff between the GTE and GE is the head....and pistons.

 

[drunk_medic]

ok the internals in the 2jzge are not the same as the internals in the 2jzgte. The internals in the GTE are forged which is why than can be ran to 900+ hp to the wheels. That is the reason that you can not put more than 400 hp through the GE without building it.

Just so you know, 2JZ's do NOT have forged pistons - they are cast hypereutectic.

 

[kylesupra]

ok if the engines are the same then why is it that the GE engine is cheaper than the GTE. Also, why is the resale value of the TT MKIIII higher then the NA MKIIII if the engines are the same. And why is it that the highest stock bottom end GE motors only being built to 400 hp.

 

[foreverpsycotic]

exactly. the big diff between the GTE and GE is the head....and pistons.

wouldnt the GE actually spool up a turbo faster irregardless of compression ratio due to the larger exhaust ports?

 

[drjonez]

ok if the engines are the same then why is it that the GE engine is cheaper than the GTE.

supply n demand.

power of the movies n magazines.

Also, why is the resale value of the TT MKIIII higher then the NA MKIIII if the engines are the same.

see above....and additionally, the TT got a heck of a lot of other changes as well...

And why is it that the highest stock bottom end GE motors only being built to 400 hp.

simple- the idiots building them. see previous comments re: daveh.

 

[drjonez]

wouldnt the GE actually spool up a turbo faster irregardless of compression ratio due to the larger exhaust ports?

in theory, yes. IIRC the GE has larger stock valves as well...

 

[foreverpsycotic]

nah, i think the intake are larger on the GTE and the exhausts are larger on the GE.

BTW daveh ran that time on a block with over 100k

 

[kylesupra]

crack smoker midnight toker

 

[boostadikt]

so... are the pistons in a GE and weaker than those in the GTE or is the only real difference the dish and therefore the compression ratio?

 

[kylesupra]

lol lol lol lol yea ok I am getting off this thread before I get kicked because none of you have any idea what it is that you are talking about.

 

[armyastro]

ok if the engines are the same then why is it that the GE engine is cheaper than the GTE. Also, why is the resale value of the TT MKIIII higher then the NA MKIIII if the engines are the same. And why is it that the highest stock bottom end GE motors only being built to 400 hp.

where the hell are you getting 400hp from toyomoto has several stock 2jzge bottoms running 600hp and higher and no problems at all.... just get a bigger thicker metal headgasket 2-3mm depending on what you want and fuel and you are fine ... just do it right and get a aem or another standalone to manage everything and you are fine.. i will be na-t'ing my 2jzge sc300 and will be putting over 400hp soon(springtime) and the engines are not "cheaper" they are more because when you buy them they come with everything for a swap to include the twin turbos and the wiring...ect that is why they are alot... and most of the time you get the trans too. you can buy the block and head by itself for about the same as a ge engine... go to www.justfuckinggoogleit.com before you start ranting about stock bottoms if you are going to be told you are wrong by a dozen people

 

[armyastro]

lol lol lol lol yea ok I am getting off this thread before I get kicked because none of you have any idea what it is that you are talking about.

no you are just retarded and need to "read" up on a few things and see what the hell is going on in the world of 2jzge engines... crack smoker??? i think you are bud...

 

[lagged]

lol lol lol lol yea ok I am getting off this thread before I get kicked because none of you have any idea what it is that you are talking about.

well then guy prove them wrong? wheres your info? where are your dyno sheets? wheres your 2jzGE-T car that hit a wall at 400hp?