I have a friend who is a know it all his 8 against my supra and he would not listen to his club friends hell they do not want me to go to their meetings.....Anyway stop light to stop light 2 car lenghs he says he was not ready I had my windows up and could hear that rotery over mine Long story short race he lost the race and no more my rx8 now he wants a big turbo And still will not listen 40,000+ against 12,000 not fair race this from a man who believes H.P. is better than Torque well next spring he gets another lesson on supras.....High Technology not Cubic Inch Displacement