$80 Black-and-White Photo of my Mk III!

Dan_Gyoba

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You mean the great big photo enforcement signs "Red light camera" posted at every intersection that has a camera, plus the brightly coloured camera posts don't tell you? Like I said, I don't have a lot of sympathy for those who legitimately get tickets from these things.

Radar detectors won't detect the speed on green cameras, as they're based on inductive sensors in the roadway. 2 sensors, known distance apart, time between triggering sensor A and sensor B gives speed. Release trigger on A then B on a red light and it'll give you a ticket for red light AND speed if applicable.
 

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The radar detector is based solely on GPS positioning.. so it doesnt "detect" them. In Edmonton, the roads make absolutely no sense in my little brain (I dont drive there often.. :) ), so I am watching for more serious things than the signs stating camera ahead. In my mind there are not many "legitimate" tickets from those cameras. I believe St. Albert outlawed photo radar.

Face it.. its a cash grab.. pure and simple. There is no inherent safety to having road cameras.. especially when you get your ticket weeks or months after the offense. I didnt buy a radar detecter so I could do 210 KPH with decreased chances of getting caught. I did it because the speed limits on the highways are lower than what they should be (in modern times with modern cars). How many cars do you see on the QE2 highway travelling at 100 KPH? The fact that it reminds me to check my speed occasionally only makes me a safer driver because it keeps my attention on driving. In a way, it does the work for the police far more efficiently, without sapping my bank account. If they were illegal, I would still run with one.
 

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I'm of a split opinion on highway speed limits, at least in clear, good weather in daylight conditions. On the one hand, I see the argument for slower speeds (reaction times and stopping distances are obviously better off at lower speeds, as well as overall vehicle control, not to mention crash physics at higher speeds...), but at the same time, I find that personally, I tend to be MUCH more aware when driving at post-legal speeds. Not so much because of the idea of law enforcement seeing me speeding, but because you are FORCED to be more aware of your surroundings. Keeps me sharp, is what I'm getting at. Supras at 65-75mph (what is that, 110-130ish kph?) are by their grand touring nature, VERY comfortable and isolated from road noise. Hell, the first time I had one, I had switched from 5 years of Cavalier driving. Can't tell you how many times I caught myself doing 120mph without even realizing it.
 

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I totally agree that photo enforcement is a cash grab. Plus there's nothing like the feeling of getting a photo of your stolen car in the mail with a ticket. I feel that it's very telling what the police know about the deterrent effect when they say that they're going to expand the number of photo vehicles out there by 50%, and will therefore budget a 50% increase in fine revenues from them. It tells me that they are expecting the number of infractions to remain exactly the same, but they'll just catch and fine more people.

For the layout, Edmonton is pretty much a grid pattern, so you find a major road that's going in the general compass direction that you want to get to, and follow it until you need to be going in a different compass direction. There are certainly exceptions (And I'll include pretty much the whole of the southeast corner of the city) but that's more or less it. By contrast, the trail system in Calgary takes some getting used to, so I basically take it as it's different, and people used to one have to get used to adjusting to the other.

For speed limits, there's a freeway in Edmonton notorious for nasty accidents. The speed limit is 80km/h (~50mph), and even the AMA (Motor Association) says it should be higher. I maintain that while a slower speed does give you time to react, it's a speed differential on the road that gives you more to react to. There are numerous studies which point to drivers ignoring speed limits if they feel that they're unreasonable, so you get a road like this, with a bridge on it that is famous for accidents. The speed limit is 80, but because of the accident rate, and because the bridge is known slippery in winter, there are many people going 60 km/h. At the same time, there are also people going at 100 to 120 km/h. The result is perfectly predictable. Those who want to go 60 obviously say that it's those driving "unreasonably fast" who are to blame for the accidents, but I feel that if people were all going 100 to 120, the accident rate would be much much lower, as well as the injury rate. (Though it would be lower still if everyone did the lower speed instead.) The city just spent a bundle on widening the bridge in hopes of alleviating the problem, but my bet for this winter is that the accident rate won't be as low as they're hoping, because the speed limit hasn't changed. Some people will still slow to 60 on snowy days (Likely to continue for the next 5 months at least) and now even more people will completely ignore the posted limit because of the wider bridge. You'll have that same dangerous mix of people going 60 and people going 100-120, and there will still be accidents.
 

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Speed limits in front of public schools make sense. Speed limits on highways defy 'common sense' - they increase the accident rate. The statistical evidence for this is pretty clear, and not that hard to obtain - check out the highway accident rate in the USA when speed limits were imposed during the oil crisis. Cliffs: Accident rates increase when speed limits are imposed, and rates have decreased since each time the speed limits were raised.

Another thing... in every other arena, the job of the police is after the fact. Someone robs your house? They catch them, and put them in jail. Someone kills their wife? They catch them, and throw them in jail. They are not responsible for preventing anything - only for enforcing society's punishments on criminals after the fact. If you don't believe this, try suing your local police department next time someone steals your car on the basis that they didn't prevent it from happenning... good luck with that, by the way.

However, when it comes to automobile accidents, suddenly they *are* responsible for prevention. What makes accidents so special? Not all speeders cause accidents... just like not all drivers under the speed limit are accident free. The police have moved from after the fact enforcement to penalizing a characteristic that (theoretically) leads to the problem.

Furthermore, what's next? Will the government decide that excessive alcohol use leads to consumption of illegal drugs in many cases, so being publicly drunk should be fined? How about unprotected sex? That leads to all sorts of problems, right? Dressing in overly sexy clothes must factor into prostitution, and carrying cash is a sign of extortion, gambling, or extortion...

This is all crazy talk, though, right? Have you heard of the police that regularly stop drivers and confiscate any large amounts of cash? http://www.fff.org/freedom/1093c.asp and http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-texas-profiling_wittmar10,0,6051682.story
 

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GrimJack;1778191 said:
Depends on whether you're carrying a strap-on and wearing pants.

- strap-on. Check.
- pants off. Check.

Now, where's that pole?
 

Grandavi

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Agree about how it is ass-backwards.. to fine us for something that "could possibly" be dangerous. Its a pure cash grab. If it wasn't, then there would not be an autobahn on this planet.

My opinion is.. if you limit people to "safety", you bore them and they start assuming that they are safe. Nothing could be farther than the truth. Its usually not the speedster who kills you.. its the unexpected event nobody was ready for.. like.. the ice patch, or the mechanical failure of a wheel component.. or something stupid. Usually stupidy kills.. Speed is just the weapon in that instance. (like going 150 kph - 90 MPH around a corner made for about 25 MPH slower)

Our province also just passed a "almost" no-tolerance alchohol law as well.. so that the police will have the power to assume you are drunk based on their personal judgement and impound your car for 3 days. (I am not 100% certain it passed with all that intact)
Think about it.. you have a single beer, a cop pulls you over and doesnt like "your attitude".. and decides your over .05 alchohol..
good bye car for 3 days.