7mge ACIS system questions

chris89

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I've got a fully rebuilt 7mge and the acis system is all hooked up right etc... but at 4k it doesn't kick in very hard, i want it to activate more noticably... u can hear the Cross over but no initial kick ... How do u get it to kick in harder and louder? by the way when i rebuilt my engine the intake manifold is spotless.. for better flow.
 

Ma70.Ent

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Here is a combination of two posts in the stickied thread up there...

This looks like a nice place to expalin Toyota's air intake control system, or ACIS as it is now called.

First of all, it does not ever "kick in". The default position of the valve is springloaded open, which is high rpm use. Vacuum pulling on the diapragm closes it to boost low RPM torque. The manifold with longer runners aids low end torque, but starve the engine at higher engine speeds. The shorter ones lose velocity, but can fill a cylinder at high RPM.

So the system is set up for high rpm, and closes the valve for low speed torque. If you really feel it kick in, your probably does not work, and the vacuum solenoid is froze. Take a good look at that stock torque curve, and how flat it is.

The ACIS is designed to shift the torque band higher along the rpm range. It does this by responding to changes in the throttle opening angle (VTA signal of the TPS) and engine rpm (NE signal in the CPS). The air control valve is then opened or closed by the ECU via a VSV and vacuum actuator.

The valve is located in the center of the manifold and when closed divides it into two sections - a front chamber for cylinders 1 to 3 and a rear chamber for cylinders 4 to 6. A closed ACIS valve has the same effect as lengthening the intake manifold while an open valve has the same effect as shortening the intake manifold. In other words flow efficiency what's being controlled.

When the ECU turns on the VSV vacuum is applied to the actuator and closes the valve. When the VSV is turned off atmospheric pressure is applied to the actuator and opens the valve. There are four combinations of speed and throttle angle the ECU uses to decide when to open or close the ACIS:

1) Above 60% throttle angle and above 4,200 rpm: VSV off, ACIS open.

2) Above 60% throttle angle and below 4,200 rpm: VSV on, ACIS closed.

3) Below 60% throttle angle and above 4,200 rpm: VSV on, ACIS closed.

4) Below 60% throttle angle and below 4,200 rpm: VSV off, ACIS open.
 

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HellsLegion said:
The intake is too big to give an NA 7m enough torque at the low end. So they close them off untill your over 4000rpm then you get the full intake and you go wheee and get a cool noise.



It isnt vtec, its called"money saving manifold design"
 

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haha, Yeah i've been considering going na-t.... What all do i have to swap over from the gte for it to go well? I know i'll need first the gte exhaust manifold, ct26 turbo, gte ECU, intercooler, intercooler piping, etc... anyone know much? and how much it might cost... ill have to look around for prices.... I know there are probably 100 threads about na-t, but i figured it wouldn't hurt to ask... lol ..... But about the acis... i have an intake.. pipe, afm adapter, filter.... it kicks in loud but the only time it kicks in really Hard is if im not on it past ACIS Activation point and i nail it.... like if u take the engine to about 4500rpm and nail it the secondaries open and It kicks In really hard... I wonder how u can riase the kick in point, so it's more effective... i think 4000rpm is to early.... since i feel a bald spot, is what i call it in the power band.... To describe it.... it pulls hard to 4,000rpm then it kicks in loud... then there seems to be a flat spot in power... until 4800-5k then it starts pulling hard again.... It seems to lean out slightly right when it kicks in.... There should be a Big increase in fuel at that point as well, but i'm not feeling shit. I did remove the egr vsv so im gonna put it back on and do some trial and error see if it does anything... its supposed to Up the fuel pressure during acis, i think. Anyone have input to my Questions?
 

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ValgeKotkas said:
Air box removal does anything?? Anything negative too, I mean, more dust on the filter or??

spend $29 on a full intake kit for the supra. Just go anywhere and get a 92-95 civic short ram intake and get a supra AFM Adapter for $11. So for $40 you have urself a full intake that's half ass. If your Turbo this doesn't apply to you. But getting a Turbo Supra afm adapter and a cone filter would be like $15 maybe.
Intake kit
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/92-95-HONDA-CIVIC-AIR-INTAKE-FILTER-KIT-93-94-EG-EG6_W0QQitemZ160096239055QQcategoryZ38634QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
AFM Adapter
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-92-Toyota-Supra-N-A-Air-Intake-Mass-Air-Flow-Adapter_W0QQitemZ140096038493QQcategoryZ33710QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 

chris89

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LOL, that's how my supra was when i got it, acis was not operating at all and it was slow as crap, now that i hooked it up right, it is much more responsive. The acis in general just makes the car much more drivable and responsive at both low rpm around 1200rpm-4000rpm then past that ur in Short Runner mode for High Rpm power.

About the whole 7mge box thing, I don't know what the heck toyota was thinking with the resonator... etc.. but im guessing its there to improve gas milage, but i think the 7mge even with the acis hooked up right and the stock Intake system, is still slow as crap, it seems be ALOT better with an actual intake kit. If u want an intake just get on ebay and get a whole proper intake for $39-$40... from the links i posted earlier.
 

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chris89 said:
haha, Yeah i've been considering going na-t.... What all do i have to swap over from the gte for it to go well? I know i'll need first the gte exhaust manifold, ct26 turbo, gte ECU, intercooler, intercooler piping, etc... anyone know much? and how much it might cost... ill have to look around for prices.... I know there are probably 100 threads about na-t, but i figured it wouldn't hurt to ask

Pay attention to the STICKY TOPICS. The ones that are on TOP of this section.
 

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If your intake air control system(ACIS) is not functioning, then you will always be on the high rpm torque curve, and the car will be sluggish until engine speed can fill the plenum, around 4200 rpm. I guess that point based on the ECU switching it there.

If you think your car takes off at 4200 rpm, it is probably not working correctly.
 

chris89

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well resonators will reduce air flow and dampen noise coming from the induction system, by reducing the air flow, leans fuel mixture, therefore providing slightly better fuel economy.
 

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the resonator doesn't affect the airflow at all, the width of the tunnel stays constant with the rest of the intake piping
(a sweet ms paint picture shown below.)
 

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