#5 1jz's weak point?

tissimo

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bigaaron said:
Stock 1jz engines have stock Toyota pistons, not magic pistons that can take unlimited cylinder temps without damage. Melted pistons are caused by a tuning problem or bad injectors. Another thing is that rich does not equal conservative. Conservative equals turning down the boost. Overly rich conditions can wash out the rings and cause cylinder scoring and then blowby. Running rich is not a substitute for octane.
if you're refering to my conservative tune I had a standalone and was running lower timing numbers (like 12* at peak torque) with 0 knock being picked up by the knock sensors..

This is what I'm talking about on 2 and 5, the restictive exhaust port is causing more backpressure (compared to 1346) and increased cyl temps in those cyls which may be more prone to detonation though..
 

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I wouldn't rely on knock sensors to tell you when it's knocking. I also wouldn't run 12 deg of timing at 5k rpm just so you can run more boost. If you have to run 12 deg and 11:1 afr you don't have enough octane, period. Are you guys doing all your tuning on the street? You must be tuning on the street bacause if you go from around 19 deg down to 12 deg on the dyno you will see the torque drop like a lead baloon.
 

tissimo

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bigaaron said:
I wouldn't rely on knock sensors to tell you when it's knocking. I also wouldn't run 12 deg of timing at 5k rpm just so you can run more boost. If you have to run 12 deg and 11:1 afr you don't have enough octane, period. Are you guys doing all your tuning on the street? You must be tuning on the street bacause if you go from around 19 deg down to 12 deg on the dyno you will see the torque drop like a lead baloon.
yea I know, I never dyno tuned my car with its setup, or even dynoed on anything more then 9-10 psi... I'm sure the was more in it, not too much though (I'd say less then 50hp).. I assume I probably could of gotten ~ 14-16* of timing before I ran into detonation issues with not enough octane for 18 psi on the 67.. It still made great power though, It would easily out run my 2j twin car which put down 394..

I also was running very low timing as I technically sold the engine, and I didn't want to blow it up. We installed the cams (part of the package) to see how they would do and to get them installed. No knock on the knock sensors, plugs were clean, made good power, was good enough.. didn't want to push it..
 

tissimo

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Ric said:
IDK, it all points to injector or ecu failure. It's not a known issue with a 1JZ-GTE for them to fry #5. It has to be user error or just old parts.
I'm not saying that 1jz will blow #5s cause they are weak. I'm simply saying that MAYBE #5 might be more prone to failure because of the reasons I said. Yes the engine failed due to user error, but #5 blew because I THINK that the smaller exhaust port and increased backpressure in that cylinder. #2 and 5 are more prone to detonation running on the edge vs cyls 1,3,4, and 6.
 

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we tune on the street but justins was conservative just cause he wanted to be safe not so he could run higher boost.

i rather street tune anyways rather than on a dyno. totally different conditions imho
 

tissimo

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The Reaper said:
we tune on the street but justins was conservative just cause he wanted to be safe not so he could run higher boost.

i rather street tune anyways rather than on a dyno. totally different conditions imho
Dyno tuning timing is Much easier though as you get a readout of how much torque the engine is making at x point on the map. You can add or subtract timing and see how it effects the same point. Makes it much easier to find the timing the engine likes rather then doing street pulls and pulling the plugs at peak torque and watching knock logs. But then again you might be over mbtt and not running into det issues and wasting timing increasing cyl temps and stress for nothing, so need a way to judge power output.. and the butt dyno isn't that accurate, haha.. 1/4 mile works, but again its not at x point, more of the whole rev range.

Yea the conditions are different, but just tune a little less the mbtt on the dyno and should be all right for the extra load thats on the street. I would recheck a few logs after I get back on the street on some Long pulls to make sure its not giving any det after things heat up some (like a good 15-20 seconds wot rather then 5-10 on a dyno)
 

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I don't think any other way of it. The 1jzgte has been around since the early 90s and people have been making over 600whp with them with ease. I highly doubt now in 2007 a major faw has been discovered that no one else has a problem with.
 

tissimo

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Ric said:
I don't think any other way of it. The 1jzgte has been around since the early 90s and people have been making over 600whp with them with ease. I highly doubt now in 2007 a major faw has been discovered that no one else has a problem with.
I'm not saying its a major flaw. Its just the point which det might occur first then the rest of the cyls. Like on 4g63s I hear #3 is more prone to detonation for whatever reason, so you keep an eye on that one the knock sensor is places right at #3 (the number might be wrong, I dont remember, as I dont mess with them).. Its just a theroy of mine, and I wanted to see what other people thought about it.
 

The Reaper

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Justin (tissimo)'s #5 Cylinder from his single 1J

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airbats801

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A 1jz can be made perfect but you cant take the stupid out of the driver lol.

Haltech baby ;)

Seriously though, I've been tossing around the idea of a 2jzgte head on the 1jz since it has equal ports. I dont get the mismatched ports. Maybe it helps build boost quicker on those stock twins. with the increased velocity.