350+ rwhp in an NA?

[Poodles]

still a hell of a lot more money that a turbo setup, and I bet it doesn't have the same powerband or reliablity...

well, an '04 car is a HELL of a long way from the technology on our cars...

 

[s383mmber1]

Thanks for the clarification and information regarding this reliability issue.

It seems that I should plan on a NA-T swap.

Check out my build thread


Boost on these 7m's is the best bang for your buck. PERIOD. You cant fight that.

 

[GeneStarWindGSW]

My 2JZ-GE i bought BC Cams, Springs & Retainers, Valves & Stroker Kit + 200 Shot, im getting 400whp

 

[IJ.]

GSW: Proof?

Wiggy: Go back into my thread compile some crib notes and then do the exact opposite of what I did
300+ na isn't going to be a nice DD a small turbo would be a much better choice.

 

[s383mmber1]

My NA-T starts up every morning at 6:00 AM and drive mint

Drive the car very hard at 10 -12 PSI and she loves every minutes of it.

Not that i would say its "reliable" but its a sports car.

 

[7Mboost]

350rwhp could probably be achieveable but you'll spend a ton of money on it as well as a bunch of custom parts. Swapping a 1jz sounds like your best bet, reliable and not extremely expensive.

 

[GeneStarWindGSW]

GSW: Proof?

someday

 

[themadhatter]

lets see here to build an NA 7m that makes 300+hp hummm....12:1 pistons or higher,light weight rods and pistons,LOTS OF HEAD PORTING,valves,springs,retainers,BIG cams,lots of timing,equal length longtube headers,custom intake manifold,custom tuned length intake,race gas,and hell maybe even a carb to help with the fuel atomzation since this is going to have to be a full out drag motor right what do you guys think somthing along those lines lol

 

[gilberjj]

My 2JZ-GE i bought BC Cams, Springs & Retainers, Valves & Stroker Kit + 200 Shot, im getting 400whp

why would you put bc turbo cams in a na motor? i think you need a little bit more thought in your fantasies.

 

[super.secret.supra.club]

"With the money you'd put into making a ~350hp n/a, you'd easily achieve the same on a gte motor and then some." +1

Then there's the route of the supercharger too. Or twin charged.

 

[st2b]

I'm Matt and I have an awesome Supra. Does that make my Supra Mabc?

haha abc

 

[DonS1mpson]

My 2JZ-GE i bought BC Cams, Springs & Retainers, Valves & Stroker Kit + 200 Shot, im getting 400whp

Wait... Needing to throw in a 200shot of nitrous on a motor that makes 220hp to get 400whp proves that the gains to be had with the cam work and stroker kit are minimal.

why would you put bc turbo cams in a na motor? i think you need a little bit more thought in your fantasies.

I seem to remember reading that if you run a standalone EMS, you'd be able to remove the distributor setup and as a result, run turbo cams and since it's a fantasy build, I'm pretty sure there is a MoTec or AEM hiding somewhere in the spec. :naughty:

 

[Dirgle]

I know it's splitting hairs, but that is 220 crank HP. realistically it is probably closer to 190~ish rwhp after drive train losses. And a stroker kit is going to affect torque more than HP.

 

[GeneStarWindGSW]

why would you put bc turbo cams in a na motor? i think you need a little bit more thought in your fantasies.

they make 2JZ-GE BC cams
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/toyota/2jzge.shtml

so i don't know what you are talking about -_-

Wait... Needing to throw in a 200shot of nitrous on a motor that makes 220hp to get 400whp proves that the gains to be had with the cam work and stroker kit are minimal.

I actually wouldn't know how much the 2jz-ge hp/tq would go up from the cams and stroker kit.
=P

but i hope it would be alot.

 

[mdr40z]

I wonder what a Procharger setup would do, I'm sure you could get 350 supercharged and it might not be bad expensive

 

[foreverpsycotic]

350 wheel is achievable. Check out SIP(in the misc. vendors section). He offers a stroker kit and can get you 11:1 compression pistons. Then comes the 440s and the fuel management (i say go standalone so you can get the most timing). Some nice cams will help as well (again, check with SIP). Some headers ending in a 3" collector with a 3" catback and a testpipe or highflow. Port the shit out of the stock intake manifold along with the head, and get a bigger throttle body.

BTW guys, a 350whp NA vs a 350whp turbo, the na should walk the turbo.

 

[DonS1mpson]

350 wheel is achievable. Check out SIP(in the misc. vendors section). He offers a stroker kit and can get you 11:1 compression pistons. Then comes the 440s and the fuel management (i say go standalone so you can get the most timing). Some nice cams will help as well (again, check with SIP). Some headers ending in a 3" collector with a 3" catback and a testpipe or highflow. Port the shit out of the stock intake manifold along with the head, and get a bigger throttle body.

BTW guys, a 350whp NA vs a 350whp turbo, the na should walk the turbo.

But why try to reinvent the wheel?

It's not the fact that it's possible, it's the fact that it's utterly pointless when you consider that a turbo setup has a lot more potential for a faction of the cost.

The fact is if you want to make big numbers out of a NA setup, you're going to ideally want more than 6 cylinders.

 

[IJ.]

350 wheel is achievable. Check out SIP(in the misc. vendors section). He offers a stroker kit and can get you 11:1 compression pistons. Then comes the 440s and the fuel management (i say go standalone so you can get the most timing). Some nice cams will help as well (again, check with SIP). Some headers ending in a 3" collector with a 3" catback and a testpipe or highflow. Port the shit out of the stock intake manifold along with the head, and get a bigger throttle body.

BTW guys, a 350whp NA vs a 350whp turbo, the na should walk the turbo.

Don't know how you figure that....

NA will have a very narrow powerband an upgraded CT will make it's power very early and have MUCH more torque.

In a lightweight car with low diff gears the Na would be quick but in a Mk3 you'd be struggling against even a mildly modded T car.

 

[RyDeFly]

Being NA doesn't turn your motor into the mechanical version of the Karate Kid; special underdog magic abilities aren't granted by taking the difficult path to power. :biglaugh:

The only area a 350whp NA will trounce a 350whp turbo is SOUND. A NA 7M of that magnitude roaring and burbling along would surely turn a turbo invisible.
If that race were to happen in real life, I'm sure there'd be at least a couple bystanders swearing the NA was faster ("It sure sounded hella fast!")

 

[suprabad]

Seriously, if you want 350 hp out of a n/a motor that you can drive everyday, consider a 1uze swap. Otherwise, it would be an expensive, exotic and unreliable beast.

For one thing it would need to rev to 8 or 9 grand. That kind of crank speed doesn't come cheap. Toss in engine management and the kind of fuel you would need to provide the octane that it would undoubtedly need due to the high compression ratio that would be required to generate that kind of hp...etc etc.

Forget it.