2jz swap difficult?
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di_rosa;1060123 said:
7m-ge to gte can be done with 100% of the parts taken from a single wrecking yard car or parts car and a $12 Chilton's manual from Autozone.
A 2jz swap needs some more in terms of wiring, custom parts, and installation experience. 7m-gte already came from the factory in a ma70, 2jz did not.
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i really want a 2jz but i dont want to pay a shop an extra 2k in labor, i guess ill just wait till i learn more. but which way is cheaper, na-t or just buying a gte?
I'd just jump in and do it. I've been "learning" by reading these forums for christ knows how many years and yet learnt far more about engine swaps in a single weekend helping a buddy swap engines in a Miata. You can only learn so much from the internet.
Look up the 2JZGE-T swap if you haven't yet, a lot of people seem to be going down that route these days instead of the full blown GTE.
Good luck.
Look up the 2JZGE-T swap if you haven't yet, a lot of people seem to be going down that route these days instead of the full blown GTE.
Good luck.
2jzge would be the cost effective solution 
hell if i paid as much as i did on a GE swap i would have a single turbo GE with decent headwork and a standalone and a spare block.
if i had all of the parts i could do a 2jzgte swap in two weekends. the most time consuming is wiring. throwing the engine in takes a couple of hours by myself and half the time with another person heh
hell if i paid as much as i did on a GE swap i would have a single turbo GE with decent headwork and a standalone and a spare block.if i had all of the parts i could do a 2jzgte swap in two weekends. the most time consuming is wiring. throwing the engine in takes a couple of hours by myself and half the time with another person heh
DonS1mpson;1060275 said:
yea i get what your saying, i learned alot just helping my friend take the tranny out of his 240
tlo86;1060343 said:2jzge would be the cost effective solution
if i had all of the parts i could do a 2jzgte swap in two weekends. the most time consuming is wiring. throwing the engine in takes a couple of hours by myself and half the time with another person heh
haha is wiring hard or it just takes a long time? would it be worth it to send it out, i keep hearing about someone on hear that does it?
Dr Tweak can take care of the wiring pretty cheap. If you are up to the task, look at some of the stickeys.
Goals? How much HP will you be happy with (make the decision then add +100 WHP).
Budget? How much do you have to spend
Expectations? Daily driver or nice weather car ONLY?
Timeline? How much time do you have to complete this swap?
Budget? How much do you have to spend
Expectations? Daily driver or nice weather car ONLY?
Timeline? How much time do you have to complete this swap?
i disagree. everything involved in a 7mge-->7mgte swap is the same as swapping in a 2jz, except wiring, but that doesn't cost any money, just time in wiring in some a70 body connectors (whether you run it off a 1jz ecu or an aristo ecu).
p/s you are changing the high pressure line just like you would if you went 7mge-->7mgte
tranny you are changing if you would want it to last considering the w58 can't hold much, i don't care if 1 guy is holding 400rwhp on a w58, it won't last.
exhaust you would change just the same
i/c pipes are the same
so aside from some parts being more expensive like the bell housing, it's the same thing. there's no custom parts (aside from i/c pipes, but most people do custom i/c pipes with a 7mgte because they hate the stock plastic crap), just the wiring, and installation experience would be the same needed to do any kind of swap.
engine is an engine, bolt it up, do the wiring, done. even the engine/tranny bolts up like stock (on an 89), so it would seem it's meant to be in this chassis like stock.
yeah, you can't get these parts in a junkyard, but you'd STILL be buying parts from somewhere to make a 7mgte fit, so that's why i said it'll cost an extra $1500-$3000
p/s you are changing the high pressure line just like you would if you went 7mge-->7mgte
tranny you are changing if you would want it to last considering the w58 can't hold much, i don't care if 1 guy is holding 400rwhp on a w58, it won't last.
exhaust you would change just the same
i/c pipes are the same
so aside from some parts being more expensive like the bell housing, it's the same thing. there's no custom parts (aside from i/c pipes, but most people do custom i/c pipes with a 7mgte because they hate the stock plastic crap), just the wiring, and installation experience would be the same needed to do any kind of swap.
engine is an engine, bolt it up, do the wiring, done. even the engine/tranny bolts up like stock (on an 89), so it would seem it's meant to be in this chassis like stock.
yeah, you can't get these parts in a junkyard, but you'd STILL be buying parts from somewhere to make a 7mgte fit, so that's why i said it'll cost an extra $1500-$3000
bigaaron;1060145 said:
So if you get the wiring done by Dr Tweak and you put the 2jz in and bolt every thing up, will you basically just have to connect every thing up and your good?
All advice is greatly appreciated, i am trying to learn everything about the swap, being i am planning the swap eventually.
All advice is greatly appreciated, i am trying to learn everything about the swap, being i am planning the swap eventually.
di_rosa;1060886 said:
Why would a 7mge to 7m-gte swap need a different ps pressure hose?
A custom downpipe is required to bolt a 2jz to a 7m catback.
You need to relocate the PS reservoir for your swap.
On the transmission swap, you also need the clutch, flywheel, driveshaft, shifter, etc...
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the p/s lines are different between GE and GTE, that's why i mentioned it. you can use the stock GE one, but others choose not to. and still, it's not custom, it's a stock 2jz hose, and cheap at that, $80cad
the p/s reservoir most people just re-locate your GE or GTE one, nothing special about that, it's 3 bolts, drill 3 holes, bolt it up.
in regards to the R154 bracket, i don't know what you're talking about, but either way, you would still need a new clutch, and there's nothing custom about it. you grab a 1jz flywheel and a clutch for a 7m-gte, and you're good. driveshaft is the same for a 7m-gte, so is the shifter.
in regards to the exhaust, that all depends on whether you stick with the twins, or go single, and going single most of the time requires one since there are different manifolds clocked at different positions.
and i never said it would be cheap, i said it'll cost up to $3k in parts, on top of getting the engine/tranny.
damn, this guy would probably get most of the parts from your store, so why not promote it, and help him out. stop trying to make it seem like this is a rare and mystical thing.
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well, Boosted516, do whatever you want, you know it's gonna be expensive, and it's always good to have an extra $1k for odds and ends that always pop up, so if you don't have the cash, don't play the game. i'm tired of defending my words, so yeah, do whatever. almost every single part for the swap is stock 2jz or ma70.
the p/s reservoir most people just re-locate your GE or GTE one, nothing special about that, it's 3 bolts, drill 3 holes, bolt it up.
in regards to the R154 bracket, i don't know what you're talking about, but either way, you would still need a new clutch, and there's nothing custom about it. you grab a 1jz flywheel and a clutch for a 7m-gte, and you're good. driveshaft is the same for a 7m-gte, so is the shifter.
in regards to the exhaust, that all depends on whether you stick with the twins, or go single, and going single most of the time requires one since there are different manifolds clocked at different positions.
and i never said it would be cheap, i said it'll cost up to $3k in parts, on top of getting the engine/tranny.
damn, this guy would probably get most of the parts from your store, so why not promote it, and help him out. stop trying to make it seem like this is a rare and mystical thing.
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well, Boosted516, do whatever you want, you know it's gonna be expensive, and it's always good to have an extra $1k for odds and ends that always pop up, so if you don't have the cash, don't play the game. i'm tired of defending my words, so yeah, do whatever. almost every single part for the swap is stock 2jz or ma70.
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Please read this, and then you will be able to answer your own question.
You didnt even have to use search, its a damn sticky...
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66984
You didnt even have to use search, its a damn sticky...
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66984
di_rosa;1061876 said:
I wasn't trying to talk him out of it, just trying to give an honest estimate of the difficulty. When you said it was really easy and required nothing custom, I just didn't think that was accurate. I get phone calls every day from people asking questions about what is needed and how to do a 1jz or 2jz swap, and I always give them an honest idea of what they are in for. I think both of our opinions are right in their own ways, sorry if I came off all pissy about it.