2JZ-GE Rods??

[BJ91T]

After much headache and browsing I still cannot find an answer to my question, How stout are bone stock 2J GE rods?? After seeing the price of Stock GTE rods (which are known to make power) I am no longer sure if they are in the budget (unless someone has the hookup :naughty: ) Lets say the goal here is 650-700RWHP on boost alone. What internals would you 2jz guru's reccomend for that power level? If i do go with stock ge or even gte rods should i go ahead and throw some arp's in there or are they not needed?

Thanks
BJ

 

[86_sports_1jz]

is there something wrong w/ the 2j block you have? rod knock? blown piston?

 

[BJ91T]

Not that I know of but I pulled a rod cap off today just to check it out and the bearing felt rough but looked ok (normal wear) But the roughness could've been crap on my finger. I must check again in the morning.

 

[bountykilla0118]

Dude you cant expect people to take you very seriously!!! Rods are to costly????? LOL wtf …. That’s only the beginning. A clutch that will hold at that power level alone is a bit over $1000. What about engine management? The fuel upgrades like external pump, really big injectors and a $1500+ turbo. What about really good tires? They will be close to 1400 for a decent set and plus installation which should put them up to 1600-1700 after taxes and all that good stuff. I hope you don’t plan on being cheap on tires because everything is literally riding on them just like the Michelin commercial says. A big brake kite and Suspension? Unless you are the type of guy that thinks only on how fast he can go and neglects oopps I meant to say forgets the very important supporting stuff to make it all manageable.

That kind of power is easy to reach if you follow the foot steps of people who have made that kind of power with the JZ motors but certainly you can't think its cheap..... The stock 2jzge block has been known to make over 500rwhp and we all know the 2jzgte has man 900+rwhp on the stock motor. I don’t know what you plan on doing with that power and it seems its way out of your league if you post threads like this ….. But I could be wrong however that’s too much power for the street if you ask me even with a T.C.S. system in place. You just asking for trouble when you are able to jump from 55-170 in a few seconds….

You can pick 2 of the 3 choices:
1) Fast
2) Reliable
3) Cheap

Fast and reliable will never be cheap

Reliable and cheap will never be fast

Fast and cheap will never be reliable

You pick the combo

 

[86_sports_1jz]

if somthing goes wrong to your block i think the stock 2j rods will do just fine for your power goals, i believe the 2jzge rods hold up as much power as the 2jzgte rods

 

[BJ91T]

Bountykilla0018

Too bad you have no idea whats already in my closet


hint: everything you mentioned above and then some things you forgot Im by far no newb at this and I dont expect to be treated like one.


I know rods are costly I simply asked if it was worth buying new gte rods for my power goals.

 

[bountykilla0118]

Bountykilla0018

Too bad you have no idea whats already in my closet


hint: everything you mentioned above and then some things you forgot Im by far no newb at this and I dont expect to be treated like one.


I know rods are costly I simply asked if it was worth buying new gte rods for my power goals.

After much headache and browsing I still cannot find an answer to my question, How stout are bone stock 2J GE rods?? After seeing the price of Stock GTE rods (which are known to make power) I am no longer sure if they are in the budget (unless someone has the hookup :naughty: ) Lets say the goal here is 650-700RWHP on boost alone. What internals would you 2jz guru's reccomend for that power level? If i do go with stock ge or even gte rods should i go ahead and throw some arp's in there or are they not needed?

Thanks
BJ

You don’t want to be looked upon as a newb ….. Interesting but you collected all these parts and you have all this knowledge about the JZ motors but you are asking about the strength and reliability of the stock JZ rods of both GE and GTE motors. A motor that is a legend in its own right consistently making big power on stock parts and on top of that you are thinking of bailing on the idea of performance rods when you are building and planning to make 650-700rwhp?? Interesting ….

If all these great things are sitting in your closet in a room why did you even make this thread? Since you are just about done gathering up all the parts what’s another $1500 compared to what you have spent so far even if you got the hook up??? You are that close to having a dream motor with the works!!!! Everyone is fully aware of how expensive anything remotely related to the JZ engines are. But you clearly said that it might be out of the budget. Fuck I must be the one tripping but… It just doesn’t make sense to me but whatever. The 2jzge and 2jzgte make big power on stock parts that’s all…. and again no harm meant

But this is still interesting …… All the high end parts but you are thinking of not going with better than stock connecting rods. RRRIIIIGGHHHHHTTTTTT sounds odd to me. If you are going to build, you need to build it right the first time. The lazy and cheap men work the hardest because they always have to redo, redo, redo, and redo until the finally learn that they should have done it right the first time.

 

[BJ91T]

I understand where your coming from and I was not trying to be an ass here. simply put I have enough parts to do what another member on here did. And his car seems to be holding up just fine. I want to put the car together now drive it have fun and start to stockpile Internals bigger fuel system componets etc..... to do a much bigger setup farther down the road. realisticly right now i want 450 - 500 at the wheels. later on the final goal is 650-700.

 

[bountykilla0118]

The stock 2jzge block has been known to make over 500rwhp and we all know the 2jzgte has man 900+rwhp on the stock motor.

Since the motor is basically taken part get a basic stock rebuild. Just get the rods and crank machined polished and check the clearance. If the compression is good just dont stock rebuild... since it will be rebuilt in the future.

 

[BJ91T]

OK since Im a 7m person and dont know about the JZ's fastners do i follow the 7m rule and replace with arp or do the Jz's use reusable rod bolts and head bolts?

 

[bountykilla0118]

I m a 7m person also ....stock is fine but arp's are better

 

[gixxer750]

rod bolts need to be replaced every time bj...
(stock anyway)
the mains are ok to reuse in Most cases....

 

[cactus_mole]

2jzgte and 2jzge rods are the same....but later model 2jzge's with vvt-i had weaker rods. I would just go with the stock rods for your power goals.

Some guy got a 2jzge bottom end out of a junk yard and ran a 8.xx quarter mile....not to bad is ya ask me.:sarcasm:

 

[p5150]

You can reuse all of the 2j hardware if it measures in spec.The 2jzge and gte rods are the exact same. The pistons are the same material but just a slightly different shape to change c/r.

Read my build thread and all the links in the first post and you will know all you neet to know about this.

Dont listen to people that regurgitate info and dont really have any experience.

 

[gixxer750]

I have experience with this, as I have rebuilt about 7 pretty high horsepower bottom ends for JZ TT owners at a local performance shop. We replace rod bolts every time, and I BELIEVE it says to do so in the book.

 

[BJ91T]

Cool that works well for me then. Looks like i will need To invest in pistons and rod bolts then.

 

[p5150]

I have experience with this, as I have rebuilt about 7 pretty high horsepower bottom ends for JZ TT owners at a local performance shop. We replace rod bolts every time, and I BELIEVE it says to do so in the book.

Well I have a copy of the book - and it says that you can use the bolts. Not doubting your experience but thats what the book says.

 

[gixxer750]

REplace them... better safe than sorry Plus it's easier to replace than to try to measure stretch on a bolt. Might as well just put ARP's in and be done with it.

 

[BJ91T]

will do, for the price of arp rod bolts its cheap insurance.

 

[annoyingrob]

Yeah, a full set of main and rod bolts is like $250. I just ordered a set up or my 2JZ