i want to put a 2jzfse engine into my mk3. the engines blown so it seems like the best time for a minor upgrade. i know its a newer engine and i've never heard of anyone putting one in their supra, but i was wondering if it can be done and would it be the same amount of work as putting in a 2jzge or a 1jzge. ive found a low mileage engine and i want to know if i can make it work.
2JZ-FSE into a Mk3??
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Personally I don't see it being any more difficult than a 2jzge or gte.
2jz is the block code. Different pistons, sensors, oil pans... but same basic block.
I'm not familiar with the fse head but it's probably close to the fe twin cam design and you may be able to upgrade to a ge head later (not 100% on that but it's a sound theory considering the 5fse can use the 3sgte head and the 7afe can use the 4a heads ge/gas...)
I say if you already have the 2jzfse and your current engine is dead go for it. Otherwise pick up a 2jzge from an is300/sc300/na mkiv. Those guys practically give them away when they go 2jzgte.
2jz is the block code. Different pistons, sensors, oil pans... but same basic block.
I'm not familiar with the fse head but it's probably close to the fe twin cam design and you may be able to upgrade to a ge head later (not 100% on that but it's a sound theory considering the 5fse can use the 3sgte head and the 7afe can use the 4a heads ge/gas...)
I say if you already have the 2jzfse and your current engine is dead go for it. Otherwise pick up a 2jzge from an is300/sc300/na mkiv. Those guys practically give them away when they go 2jzgte.
It hasn't been done yet that I know of, but the only issue I can really see is that the one I saw used a return-less fuel system. So some modifications would be needed.
Not sure if your aware or not but the 2JZFSE has Toyotas D4 direct injection head.
Not sure if your aware or not but the 2JZFSE has Toyotas D4 direct injection head.
iirc the DI motors run stupid high fuel pressure. I'm sure making new lines would be a good idea. This is a cool idea. Direct injection is rad. Same power as regular GE but hella gas mileage! LIKE PRIUS GAS MILEAGE HAHA.
Time and money spent you could have junkyarded 3-4 2jzge motors with big turbos and ran them to shit. Would be nice to see and if your thaty concerned with gas milage then go for it.
There also really aint that much wiring diagrams for it either.
There also really aint that much wiring diagrams for it either.
Yeah they run 1200-1400 psi fuel pressures but thats via a exhaust cam driven mechanical fuel pump. It just needs a good pump with high flow to get it out of the tank. Turbocharging a DI motor produces great results. DI is able to control knock better so you can run higher compression pistons and this contributes to increased boost response and better off idle performance.aphxero;1657323 said:
Yeah and Im sure with e85 it would be interesting. Anyone know the C:R on fse? Also wiring isn't an issue. That should never stop anyone!
11:1 iirc
the head design alone would probably be enough to keep folks from wanting or trying to boost them.. it would just be such a far reach from the original intentions of the design (IMO).
one can google this and read plenty on the subject.. basically, they are neat motors that have innovative technology for the time they were produced, but there are so many specialty systems and parts to consider.
the head design alone would probably be enough to keep folks from wanting or trying to boost them.. it would just be such a far reach from the original intentions of the design (IMO).
one can google this and read plenty on the subject.. basically, they are neat motors that have innovative technology for the time they were produced, but there are so many specialty systems and parts to consider.
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11.3:1 stock, I can't imagine wanting to go with much higher compression than that if you were gonna boost it...Dirgle;1657329 said:
11.3:1 in the 2jz-fse, 11.0:1 in the 1jz-fse.aphxero;1657342 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2JZ-GE#2JZ-GE, at the bottom there.
All in all, I found one on ebay a while back, and was doing a little homework on the idea... If I didn't already have a good running engine/car, and was starting fresh, I'd seriously consider it. I know there would be a LOT of work, and possibly a lot of headaches, but the potential payoff could be amazing, if it were in the hands of a really good tuner.
Worst case scenario, you have a badass looking n/a that gets high 20's for mileage.
te72;1657480 said:
I agree with you completely. But take a look at the new Ford ECOBoost motors, they use a 10.0:1 compression ratio with 87 octaine fuel, to great results. Even at 10.0:1 the 2JZFSE would still be a stellar engine. I've looked into doing the swap sa well and it is still in my long range plans. The one thing I really want to see develop further first is the standalone engine management options.
the motor has basically no aftermarket support at all aside from whatever components you can use off a regular 2J. plus, they were never released in the U.S. in the first place, folks can get away with 1Js and the like because they happen to share most of the same parts and tech with the 2J coupled with powering many chassis over a long period of time. There are also no standalone systems for the FSE, and something simple like an AFC is likely out of the question considering all the systems in place. Even if you solve that issue, are fuel upgrades even feasible, at least without having to redesign a bunch of things on the head?
in the end, it's always about the time and cost of doing something. we all have witnessed crazy things take place in the automotive world, things thought of as impossible at one time or another.
I feel that at present, the feasibility factor is rather low.
in the end, it's always about the time and cost of doing something. we all have witnessed crazy things take place in the automotive world, things thought of as impossible at one time or another.
I feel that at present, the feasibility factor is rather low.
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Dylan JZ;1657567 said:
Agreed. But if it comes up even a little I'd like to see this on my list of projects to take on. The 2JZFSE coupled to a VNT turbo, another technology I'd like to see mature more, I think would make for very impressive street motor. You may not see stratospheric hp numbers but I bet the size and shape of the torque would be a thing of beauty. But at the moment this all pipe dreams. Like you said the standalone support need to come out, and it will with more and more modern engines going DI. And I don't see the fuel being an issue. Toyota already has fuel pumps and injectors capable of operating in the 2200psi range. The future aftermarket may even trump this. But this is all down the road.
Well, I really would love to see that motor utilized, I'd even like to see it used an an N/A race motor. But a lot of folks won't even try the VVTi motors despite the advantages..
I wish I had known more about them back when I did my swap, there's a great chance I would have tried and enjoyed it.
I wish I had known more about them back when I did my swap, there's a great chance I would have tried and enjoyed it.
Looked into this already...all I've gotta say is, I spent around 8+ grand on my 2jzgte BPU swap...so yea Open your wallet, cause your looking at almost double the cost.
Overall power may not be your biggest concern. The way I see it, that high compression would do WONDERS for your responsiveness of the engine. All the other things are just custom fabrication and tuning...
HOWEVER... how is the head shape? It's an F-variant, which historically means a narrow valve angle with Toyota heads. Would it be able to flow enough air through to take advantage of the high compression? That would be my biggest curiosity. Now someone just has to take the $800 plunge, buy one, tear it apart, and answer some questions.
HOWEVER... how is the head shape? It's an F-variant, which historically means a narrow valve angle with Toyota heads. Would it be able to flow enough air through to take advantage of the high compression? That would be my biggest curiosity. Now someone just has to take the $800 plunge, buy one, tear it apart, and answer some questions.
aphxero;1657350 said:
what parts are there on a FSE that a regular GTE dosnt have? sounds like just a mech pump is about it, or what other parts?
Pretty much every piece of this engine except the block and crank would have to be ordered from Toyota Japan, if replacements were needed. With very few known parts crossing over and being able to be ordered state side.