1jz with waste spark

Pernilongo

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The vvti 1jzs came with waste spark ignition unlike earlier 1jz and as far as i know the OEM spark plugs are dual ground electrode with .044 just like on 2jz-ge with vvti. Does with sound right at all? does anyone know how this affects gas mileage on waste spark ignition? i tried to run iridium IX single ground spark plugs on waste spark system in a gs300 and gas mileage dropped really alot until i changed to dual ground plugs again. why is there such an effect on mileage?
 

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I tried Iridiums again and they are working great for me. I am running waste fire also. I like these plugs.

Only difference is I gap mine to .26 ;)
 

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i'm not trying to jack your thread but what is waste spark or waste spark ignition? i always see people talk about it on the forum but could never figure out what it is
 

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RacerXJ220;1402218 said:
I tried Iridiums again and they are working great for me. I am running waste fire also. I like these plugs.

Only difference is I gap mine to .26 ;)

thats what i have right now iridium plugs. they work great for me too with .032 gap i read that you have to run maximum gap before misfire on this type of ignition because its weaker.

86_sports_1jz;1402226 said:
i'm not trying to jack your thread but what is waste spark or waste spark ignition? i always see people talk about it on the forum but could never figure out what it is

Its when you have 1 coil per two cylinders with plug wires. thus every plug fires twice as many times, and 1 always fires as waste ( doesn't ignite anything).
 

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tissimo;1402323 said:
Gas mileage will be nearly the same waste spark vs non waste spark.

I was actually interested in the effects of twin ground electrode spark plugs vs single on gas mileage rather than a system its self.
 

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All you need is one ground strap. Anything more then that is just a gimic, and does nothing.

I've never heard of toyota using a a dual ground strap factory.
 

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I dont know all 2jz-ge vvtis in a GS and an IS even have a sticker under the hood to use twin ground with a big ass cross over the single ground plug. I did feel the difference with those plugs i just dont know what to attribute it to.
 

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Pernilongo;1402743 said:
I dont know all 2jz-ge vvtis in a GS and an IS even have a sticker under the hood to use twin ground with a big ass cross over the single ground plug. I did feel the difference with those plugs i just dont know what to attribute it to.

Do you mean the twin fire coils? The one goes onto the plug with a plug wire going to the other plug?
 

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No, I think he means the electrodes on the plugs... My 02 4runner (5vze) also has the warning sticker from the factory... specifies twin tip only.

I've also wondered why Toyota calls for this, as I thought multiple plug tips were just a gimmick.
 

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c_ronius;1403275 said:
No, I think he means the electrodes on the plugs... My 02 4runner (5vze) also has the warning sticker from the factory... specifies twin tip only.

I've also wondered why Toyota calls for this, as I thought multiple plug tips were just a gimmick.

interesting, maybe just the newer ones? I've worked on a 98 & 99 gs 300s and there is no such sticker and the toyota plugs are regular single ground strap.
 

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tissimo;1403319 said:
interesting, maybe just the newer ones? I've worked on a 98 & 99 gs 300s and there is no such sticker and the toyota plugs are regular single ground strap.

are you sure you didnt work with a v8 engine? they might use different ignition the 2jz uses waste spark ignition that you call "twin fire coil" and as a result this system calls for a spark plug with twin ground electrode as a OEM part.
 

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Lifted from a post on ToyotaNation. Does yours use the OEM twin ground platinum electrode spark plugs? They are specifically used for the later model Gen 4s (camry) with twin coil packs and distributorless. These use a waste spark ignition, therefore the plugs fire twice during a 4 stroke cycle. If you use a single ground electrode, it will severely shorten the life of the plug. e.g. 6,000rpm on your camry engine will be like running 12,000rpm on another car, since the plug fires twice as often. You can also try double platinum plugs, i.e. plugs with a platinum chip also on the ground electrode. What happens in waste spark ignition is that 1 coil pack fires 2 spark plugs simultaneously, e.g. cylinder 1 and cylinder 4. So while one spark plug is firing normally, spark jumps from center electrode to ground electrode, the other spark plug is firing in reverse, i.e. from ground electrode to center electrode, therefore there is high wear on the ground electrode, this is where the platinum chip on the ground electrode gives longevity. Plugs like Denso Iridium SK20R11 and VK20 also have a platinum chip on the ground electrode. NGK Iridium IX and Denso IK20 dont.
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Jeff Lange;1406112 said:
Toyota uses twin-ground electrode spark plugs in a few different engines, I'm not 100% sure why, but they do seem to run better with them installed.

Jeff
Talked to my pops (lex mechanic) about it and he was saying they used twin ground electrodes to keep the life standard up (60k or 90k miles plugs.. dont remember). The two I worked on I installed single ones and had no issues. I could of swore they were oem plugs (from toyota) but I guess not.