1JZ or 2JZ

[Mondo]

Sorry if this is a repost, as I'm positive it is.

Did a search and came up with squat.

If there isnt one of these yet, than maybe its time for one?

I'm doing a swap, just havent decided to go with 1JZ or 2JZ.

Bassically i just want to know the Pro's and Cons for swapping in both 1JZ and 2JZ motors.

Another question is if either of these bolt to the R154 Trani? Or should i get the Trani that comes stock with the 1JZ or 2JZ.

Either post them up or please direct me to where this has already been discussed.

Thanks.

 

[Zer0DeGreeZ]

Sorry if this is a repost, as I'm positive it is.

Did a search and came up with squat.

If there isnt one of these yet, than maybe its time for one?

I'm doing a swap, just havent decided to go with 1JZ or 2JZ.

Bassically i just want to know the Pro's and Cons for swapping in both 1JZ and 2JZ motors.

Another question is if either of these bolt to the R154 Trani? Or should i get the Trani that comes stock with the 1JZ or 2JZ.

Either post them up or please direct me to where this has already been discussed.

Thanks.

1JZ-GTE:
2.5L I6 Twin Turbo
Displacement: 2491cc
Peak Power: 280HP
Peak Torque: 268 FT/LB's
Turbos: CT12A (x2)
Fuel Injectors : 380cc

2JZ-GTE:
3.0L I6 Twin Turbo
Displacement: 2997cc
Peak Power: 320 HP
Peak Torque: 315 FT/LB's
Turbos: CT12B (x2)
Fuel Injectors : 540cc


EDIT:

I personally would choose to go with the 1JZ, as the aftermarket support is just as strong (If not stronger). A lot of the parts between the 1 and 2 JZ's are interchangable as they are basically the same engine but differ in only a few areas, the biggest being the Liters. The 1JZ is basically the little brother to the 2JZ as toyota basically mainstreamed it to make a supra a competitor for the 2 Liter series in JGTC racing. The 1JZ is just as strong and because it came in the MKIII chassis in japan, the swap is generally friendly to the chassi. Where as with a 2JZ engine I'm pretty sure you have to do some swapping on the front Suspension (please correct me if i'm wrong).

The MKIII chassis welcomes the 1JZ with open arms as it also uses the R-154 platform transmission as well. It is truly a great engine and nothing shy in the performance area of the 2JZ. If I have not sold you on the 1JZ, you can always call Aaron from DriftMotion. Depending on what year your MKIII shell is, he can swap the 1JZ in and it will look like the car came factory that way. Deffenantly props on his handiwork. ::Thumbs Up::


If you had your heart set on doing Something with a 2JZ, but now you like the 1JZ, and are totally confused as to what to do because you can't use two engines at once.

THINK AGAIN!

You can always use the 2JZ block with a 1JZ head. This combination is known as a 1.5JZ-GTE, and has been done many times before. Doing this will allow you to not have the restrictions on the 5th and 6th cylinders that you get from using the 2JZ head, but still allows you to use the bigger bore pistons of a 2JZ block. As well this allows you more displacement, and the best of both worlds. Make sure to port and polish the 1 JZ head and match up a few other small fittings, and your on your way! These can be very knarley engines and suprise the hell out of folks who otherwise think your running a stock 1JZ.

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[Mondo]

1JZ-GTE:
2.5L I6 Twin Turbo
Displacement: 2491cc
Peak Power: 280HP
Peak Torque: 268 FT/LB's
Turbos: CT12A (x2)
Fuel Injectors : 380cc

2JZ-GTE:
3.0L I6 Twin Turbo
Displacement: 2997cc
Peak Power: 320 HP
Peak Torque: 315 FT/LB's
Turbos: CT12B (x2)
Fuel Injectors : 540cc

Aware that the 2JZ is MUCH more powerful.

More intested in the swap aspects of it. Is one easier than the other? 1JZ's seem to be a tad cheaper(couple hundred bucks).

The transmissions?

 

[jdub]

Considering we have an entire section for engine swaps like this....
(where I moved this thread to)

Might want to read the search tutorial in the intro section. Pay attention to where you post in the future.

 

[karlmk3]

Aware that the 2JZ is MUCH more powerful.

More intested in the swap aspects of it. Is one easier than the other? 1JZ's seem to be a tad cheaper(couple hundred bucks).

The transmissions?

you can use the stock r154 transmission in both set ups. the 2jz is a lil bigger some say firewall issues where u have to bang out like a half in i myself dont see it the 2jz will hold alot more power in the long run. what is ur goal for the car? i am going 2jz there is so much more out there for it its a proven moter for high hp. the parts will be easy to find. and you can find an aristo 2jz its only 280 but they are a lot cheaper then the usdm ones. its easy to get it to the 320 the usdm 2jz has. id say go 2jz they sound better the parts are easy to get. plus they will hold the power alot better. yes the r154 will work and hold a great deal of power fromwhat i have read as well

 

[Zer0DeGreeZ]

you can use the stock r154 transmission in both set ups. the 2jz is a lil bigger some say firewall issues where u have to bang out like a half in i myself dont see it the 2jz will hold alot more power in the long run. what is ur goal for the car? i am going 2jz there is so much more out there for it its a proven moter for high hp. the parts will be easy to find. and you can find an aristo 2jz its only 280 but they are a lot cheaper then the usdm ones. its easy to get it to the 320 the usdm 2jz has. id say go 2jz they sound better the parts are easy to get. plus they will hold the power alot better. yes the r154 will work and hold a great deal of power fromwhat i have read as well

Your going 2JZ when your sig says your preping for a 1JZ swap? lmao.


Anyways yeah, the 2JZ does start out with more power right out the box. BUT it's only 40HP more, and you have to do more work to get it in the MKIII shell rather then the 1JZ. Although yes people have gotten the 2JZ over 2000HP before I've seen, you won't really be going that high on the street, or atleast I hope. If your wanting to go anywhere from 300-700HP like the variety of street legal cars may go to, your are still very well off with the 1JZ which has motor mounts that will go right into the MKIII.


1JZ Engine Cost: $1,395.00 - $2,200.00 (Used)
2JZ Engine Cost: $3,500.00 - $5,000.00 (Used), $6,700.00+ (New, Re-man)


Thats the cost for a crate engine. with those prices you will find just about everything comes with the engine that is some way shape or form attaches to the engine, mind the motor mounts. Either way you will still need to do the custom mounts. The question is, are you willing to pay so much more money for only 40HP more on the engine? Versus an engine that will perform the same way, for less?


Zer0


P.S.: I love the 1JZ engines guys. I'm sure you've noticed by now. I am a bargain shopper though. I buy quality yes, but i also buy the right stuff and that doesn't always mean the most expensive stuff.

P.S.S: I'm still waiting for the aftermarket parts companies to have coupon days dammit!!!!

 

[Zer0DeGreeZ]

Also be aware that if you order a JDM 2JZ-GTE engine, that you will have a 2JZ-GTE that only has 280HP as well, due o he HP restrictions in japan at the time that these were being made. Our supras had 320 because we had no such restrictions.


HOWEVER


It only takes a few things to swap out or remove to get that 320 that we had. Not sure the list off the top of my head though. Just thought i'd let you know if you were considering buying a JDM imported engine.


Zer0

 

[karlmk3]

at one point i was gonna go 1jz but i gave that up when i couldnt even find the moter forsale anywhere i called drift motion none jarco none jdm engines none jdm depo none. if i cant find the engine it must be hard to get parts lol . dont get me wrong i love both moters and still havent purchesed one yet so... i quess im still in the air to what ever one i can find that isnt from jdm depo cause the last moter i bought from them was toast before i could install it :icon_evil....... but i was just answer his question with the what i know and from everything i have read there is no suspension mods for a 2jzgte swap. and hey if you know where to get a 1jz let me know cause i would like to save the money still... more money for upgrades then:icon_evil:naughty:

 

[karlmk3]

the list i am sure is the turbos where diff on 2jz jdm vs 2j usdm one was steele blades one is ceramic jdm.
jdm was 440 cc
usdm 550 cc injectors
i think the cams where diff as well i might be missing some stuff...

 

[Mondo]

Sorry for the wrong section.

That pretty much has me sold on a 1JZ. Truly, I'll be happy with 400 HP. 500? Awesome. 600? Kick ass.

Any recomendations for where to source a 1JZ from? Tiger Japanese has them for 1000-1100.

 

[karlmk3]

Sorry for the wrong section.

That pretty much has me sold on a 1JZ. Truly, I'll be happy with 400 HP. 500? Awesome. 600? Kick ass.

Any recomendations for where to source a 1JZ from? Tiger Japanese has them for 1000-1100.

if you can find one buy it there not easy to come across bro

 

[Mondo]

There are numerous 1JZ and 2JZ's here.

http://www.tigerjapanese.com/index....category_id=7&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

 

[karlmk3]

crap know yall got me wanting to go back to doing the 1jz ... i wonder how many they have though cause alot of ppl hve them on the web page but none instock.. i do have to admit the 1jz in low rps has such an orgasmic:sarcasm: sound and then has almost the same top end sound as a 2jz its badddddddd:aigo::evil2:

 

[Zer0DeGreeZ]

your site said $1900, but didn't mention half the stuff my site i go through does. Mine also includes transmission too!!!! R154 BABY!!!



http://www.jspecautosports.com/catalog_product.aspx?prod_id=712



$1950.00

List Of Parts Included
• Complete Motor
- Block
- Head
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Sensors
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Cam Angle Sensor
- Throttle Body
- Alternator
- Starter
- Ignition Wires
- Pulleys
- Turbo manifold
- Turbocharger

• 5-Speed RWD Transmission
- with clutch components attached

• Computer (ECU)
• Wiring Harness (Un-cut)
• Ignitor Chip

Everything you need. 30k-60k miles GUARANTEED!!!

Last i spoke with them a few weeks ago, they had plenty of em in stock.



Zer0

 

[karlmk3]

dam i am checking that out maybe ill be able to finaly get one yay well ok not to thread jack but did you get yours from there and has anyone else here bought from there and liked them

 

[Zer0DeGreeZ]

dam i am checking that out maybe ill be able to finaly get one yay well ok not to thread jack but did you get yours from there and has anyone else here bought from there and liked them

every time i do a swap for any car i buy from there. Fast shippers, and great quality engines, haven't had a problem yet.


and my buddies that own 300zedex's always bought there stff from there.




Zer0