1000 hp build write up

suprarich

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A fellow member ask me to do a write up on a 1000 hp 7mgte build and to post it here so that he may get thoughts on the subject from other members who are deep into the pockets of a 7m build. Fee free to post away about the pit falls of a 4 digit hp motor. Keep in mind that this will be an intermitent use 1000 hp, not a full blown 1000 hp used every moment motor.

1 - Best to start with a new short block from toyota. Straighten and refinish the new crank to desired oil clearence after a 60 hr nitride treatment. If a used block - flux for cracks, align bore and square the deck. Straighten the used crank, regrind, nitride, then polish to desired oil clearence.

2 - Install billet main caps, aline bore the mains square to the deck with arp hardware. Debur the oil drain paths. Now would be the time to lap the block, clean, then install all new freeze plugs, oil shaft bearings.

3 - I would at the very least use pauter rods, custom CP pistons with the .200 wall pins and coat the bearings. Balance the rotating assembly with the damper and flywheel/flexplate.

4 - Normally I would use a dry sump oil system for 1000 hp with a main cap girdle, .0035 oil clearence with 75 psi of oil. If you plan on using the wet sump style, then use a new toyota pump and the girdle can not be used, as it will not clear the pump.

5 - Best to start with a new head from toyota. Debur and clean. You will need a set of billet cams in the 10.5 to 11 mm range. For this, you will need to grind clearence in the head for the lobes to swing. You will also need solid lifters with the shims under the bucket. I would even go as far to over size the lifters to accomidate the cam lobe. This will require the lifter bores to be bored out and rehoned. You will need an aggresive porting job done on the entire head to provide the air flow for 1000 hp. 275 to 295 range I would say. You would want a ferrera oversize valve set up with the dual springs. Before you install any hardware, and are finished the porting and machining of the head, you would want to lap the head then clean it. Use arp studs to clamp the cam caps down.

6 - I would use an HKS stopper headgasket, you will need a good cam belt, cam gears, and a 7 to 8 inch damper which will have to be custom made. I would go as far to say install pick ups in the damper for a crank fire trigger.

7 - You will need a REAL exhaust manifold, not a e-bay one. it will have to be a forward style to clear the shock tower and be turned slightly. This will be a custom unit. You will need a GT45r turbo at the least and a 4 inch downpipe, 4 inch exhaust, and 50mm wastgate. A short runner intake manifold with a 90mm throttle body, intercooler piping in the 3.5inch range and at least a greddy 4 row intercooler from a mk4. dual hks BOVs.

8 - You will need triple walbro fuel pumps, twin aeromotives, or one large weldon fuel pump, 1200cc injectors, custom fuel rail, the large weldon or aeromotive fuel regulator. At the least you will want a AEM EMS or opt for the Motec.

You are now into the 15,000.00+ range without cooling, or a drivetrain.
 

turbodriz

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By all means guys put in your input. Keep this thread alive. This is the 2j killer thread. What would be the tranny and cooling options? Can I still use the r154? How far do u need to go with the cooling in order to support this type of power?
 

pimptrizkit

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m1supra said:
Has anyone actually got a 1000hp out of a stock 7m block and head I dont doubt it is possible i just wonder if anyone has done it



stock god no, but there are people in the price range you just haveing read enough yet.


there's a guy in asustrial or newzeland hittin 1k in a dragster (sorr if i named the wrong place but search for it)


i would agree alot of the stuff is a must!

although since this would be used in some sort of race car, i would sugest proper oil cooling, and also working the tranny over ,
 

pimptrizkit

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sll depends.. cost of swap, could be that much more into the stock motor to make it that much faster.. i know my hp goals are caple of the stock motor so im going to build the piss out of it and have a good running car.
 

gilberjj

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tekdeus said:
Wouldn't just going 2JZ be more practical and cheaper for this kind of HP goal?

the point of this thread is to do it with a 7m. it would be easier, but it would still cost close to this amount for a 2j also. a fully built motor is a fully built motor, but you're right, it would probably be a little cheaper in a 2j cause its been done many times before. 2j heads also flow more, but this is an interesting thread. duanes block seems that it meets and exceeds all of these requirements.

but ya, id rather go 2j.
 

turbodriz

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I am curious shy I would have to nitride a new block. I thought it was a process that needed to be done after material needed to be to part and then restored to its natural strength. What would I need to do to the tranny? Would those size cams make the motor interference? Who does this time type of block treatment(nitride)?
 

adampecush

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You would nitride the crank, not the block. Nitriding is a surface hardening treatment applied to steel in order to increase wear resistance, fatigue resistance, and corrosion resistance.

By the way, the block is cast iron. You do not nitride cast iron.
 

turbodriz

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adampecush said:
You would nitride the crank, not the block. Nitriding is a surface hardening treatment applied to steel in order to increase wear resistance, fatigue resistance, and corrosion resistance.

By the way, the block is cast iron. You do not nitride cast iron.
Alright... who does this type of process?
 

Doward

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adampecush said:
You would nitride the crank, not the block. Nitriding is a surface hardening treatment applied to steel in order to increase wear resistance, fatigue resistance, and corrosion resistance.

By the way, the block is cast iron. You do not nitride cast iron.

suprarich said:
1 - Best to start with a new short block from toyota. Straighten and refinish the new crank to desired oil clearence after a 60 hr nitride treatment. If a used block - flux for cracks, align bore and square the deck. Straighten the used crank, regrind, nitride, then polish to desired oil clearence.

Where does he say to nitride the block? Reading > You. :sarcasm:

Personally, I prefer a good seasoned block, to a brand new one. Cast iron work hardens, after all!

Also, as for block prep, at those levels I would recommend drilling/tapping the freeze plugs for screw in plugs. *edit* - Whoops, didn't see that you said quick blasts to 1000rwhp. I was thinking sustained 1000rwhp.

I tend to build everything for the highest levels I seek to attain, sustained. Quick blasts are then no problem for the system to handle ;)
 

adampecush

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Doward said:
Where does he say to nitride the block? Reading > You. :sarcasm:

I replied to this.

I am curious shy I would have to nitride a new block. I thought it was a process that needed to be done after material needed to be to part and then restored to its natural strength. What would I need to do to the tranny? Would those size cams make the motor interference? Who does this time type of block treatment(nitride)?

reading>you.
 

Boost Lee

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Yes, the guys in Malta have the well beyond 1,000whp 7M.

You guys are forgetting Tony with his Final Stage MK3.
He's beyond the 1,000whp mark as well.
Curious* I know on his 10.2 runs, he was stil using a stock R154
With his 9.xx runs, anyone know if he's finally built it?

Some of you guys are totally missing the point of this thread.

Is it obvious a 2JZ head flows better and can make more power? Sure.
Is it going to be cheaper to fully build a 2JZ over a 7M? Not at all.

A 1,000rwhp goal may be accomplished a bit quicker than a 7M...but if you're truly at that point of building a full blown race motor...1,000hp will be achieved. Period. :)

-Jeff