where are 2j's available?

[Jimbo]

my 7m has got a few problems and apparently 2j's are bulletproof.
I keep hearing everyone say "get a 2j." "swap the 7m for a 2j." "just go 2j."
and they make it sound like they're easy to come across. but where are they available?
where have you guys gotten em at??

 

[Athena]

I got mine from Caanaada. They are still quite breakable though.
Here's the sticky.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?66984-2JZGTE-MKIII-Swap-Info

Here's meh build, though it's not very picture oriented since I only have before and after pics. I was to stressed about having two full time jobs than taking pictures.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?112984-mkIII-2jzgte-Swap

It was a lot more work than I imagined it was going to be, spent a crap load more than I should ever have. (Ohhh the debt)
but it was fun. Did I mention the debt? XD

Good luck ^_^

 

[dubsupra209]

you can buy a new head and bottom end from toyota for like 4500 but you will have to meet it with your r154 cause and getrag can cost more than a supra by itself

 

[supra_kid101]

Got mine at Pull A Part. Tore it down and rebuilt it (did not need too was damn near perfect). They aren't bulletproof though. 7M is just as good provided you take care of it but all engines are this way. 2JZ overall was just a newer design.

 

[hvyman]

Pick and pull by my house sells complete motors for 180. Just got to find a sc300 or gs300.

 

[whitemike]

7M is just as good provided you take care of it but all engines are this way. 2JZ overall was just a newer design.

Wrong. 7M can be very powerful yes, but not just as reliable. 1JZ/2JZ oiling systems are much more efficient and reliable in terms of longevity than the 7Ms could ever be.

 

[shaeff]

Wrong. 7M can be very powerful yes, but not just as reliable. 1JZ/2JZ oiling systems are much more efficient and reliable in terms of longevity than the 7Ms could ever be.

There are many things you can do to the 7M's oiling system to make it more efficient, all of which are easy. 1) remove stock oil cooler for a full flow, thermostatically controlled system, thus ditching the pressure based oil cooling from the factory. 2) New springs in your oil squirters so they don't open prematurely. 3) ARZ's custom mandrel bent lower crossover pipe. 4) Lower the sump into the pan a bit more to lessen the chances of oil starvation.

Stating that the 7M's oiling system will NEVER be as good as the 1/2j's isn't quite the way to go about proving your point. Are you implying that a dry sump setup on a 7M won't be as good as the stock oiling system on a 1/2j?

 

[Jimbo]

I got mine from Caanaada. They are still quite breakable though.
Here's the sticky.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?66984-2JZGTE-MKIII-Swap-Info

Here's meh build, though it's not very picture oriented since I only have before and after pics. I was to stressed about having two full time jobs than taking pictures.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?112984-mkIII-2jzgte-Swap

It was a lot more work than I imagined it was going to be, spent a crap load more than I should ever have. (Ohhh the debt)
but it was fun. Did I mention the debt? XD

Good luck ^_^

those links pretty much branch into almost everything I need to know lol.
thanks.
did you ever wire up your gauges perfectly?

Pick and pull by my house sells complete motors for 180. Just got to find a sc300 or gs300.

do you think all pick n' pulls have the same prices?
I think I live about 2 hours from where u are.

 

[dubsupra209]

http://www.picknpull.com/check_inve....4472850&Make=Toyota&Model=Supra&Distance=100

 

[whitemike]

Stating that the 7M's oiling system will NEVER be as good as the 1/2j's isn't quite the way to go about proving your point. Are you implying that a dry sump setup on a 7M won't be as good as the stock oiling system on a 1/2j?

Obviously with that much modification you can improve on any motors oiling system. I think you know what I meant. I shouldn't have used the word 'ever', sorry sir.

But, honestly, you can't completely disagree with my point?

-Mike

 

[shaeff]

I don't disagree, but making the 7M oiling system good isn't difficult by any means. Not really expensive, either. But I understand the point you're making.

 

[Athena]

those links pretty much branch into almost everything I need to know lol.
thanks.
did you ever wire up your gauges perfectly?

I've got everything to work except the oil gauge. I think its the gauge itself, but my builds on hiatus until I pay off the loan that I took to finish the swap.
Good luck though.

 

[Dirgle]

Getting the gauge to work isn't a big deal. You'll need the oil pressure sender from the 7M, and the adapter from driftmotion.

http://store.driftmotion.com/static/i-1jzoilpressuresenderadapterhose.php

Twenty bucks will give you the piece of mind offered from seeing you have oil pressure when you start your engine.

 

[bountykilla0118]

Mike is my 7m oops lol I mean your 7m still running??? Then it isn’t a broken system it might not be to the liking of most people who want to see 30+psi at idle but to for people to dance around words and hint that the 7m oil system is garbage isn’t accurate.

Lol I just fill her up with an extra quart with the stock 7m and I don’t have a problem and I own 3 different MKIII ..... Maybe its person over the machine. Remember 2j’s fail but they are rarely posted on the forums where as the MKIII 7m people, start off like me at 17 not knowing enough about these cars and make simple silly mistakes as we learn on a limited budget so we get on the forum and unintentionally bash the 7m in front of the world. Now at 25 with more than one car so that means I can park one and not rush to finish the broken car, on top of that I now I know enough that I don’t post many things and I have the money to do my cars done correctly. To me the weakest link with the 7m is, for the most part, is the owner/builder.

The 2j crowd seems to be on the hush about their failures maybe they don’t want the embarrassment of breaking the unbreakable motor. I am in no way saying the 7m is better because lets face it the Toyota took the 7m and made it better, made it build for a turbo application instead of taking a NA (5m, 6m, and 7m,)foundation and find a way to boost it. They called it the 1jz and they took the 1jz and built on top of that and called it the 2jz, but it really started with the 7mgte inline 6 turbo

 

[RockPaperSwoRD]

^an interesting read would be the history of toyota's M series motors which started in the 1960s as truck engines ^_^
teres an article here on supramania or look it up on wiki

 

[bountykilla0118]

^an interesting read would be the history of toyota's M series motors which started in the 1960s as truck engines ^_^
teres an article here on supramania or look it up on wiki

I am not really sure what you are getting at but I have read it a few times and I could careless what car or truck the M series started in. I would take an average Chevy "truck and suv" motor and boost it after doing all the little things to lower the compression a making it boost ready and still spend far less than most cars at the same power level and run it at 14psi with t70 or bigger and it would destroy the average "sports engine" so I hope that wasn’t you reason for mentioning it stating how the M series started as a truck motor… I mean really, who cares?

In my post I was making a point about Toyota’s inline 6 turbo applications and I was saying people who bash the 7m are going about things with the wrong approach. The 7m is a very, very capable motor but gets ragged on by 2jzgte nut swingers who often spew out their ignorance more than any real knowledge. The 2jzgte is better platform but the 7m isn’t junk. People who think like that, should try to look at it from a different angle. Its like saying the grand daddy (7mgte) engine sucks because the grandson (2jzgte) is more up to date if the grand daddy wasn’t there the grandson would not exist or be the same. I love the tq of 7m but it is a motor that has less room for error than 2j’s.... Hopefully you get my drift.

The endless battle continues. My motor is better than yours blah blah blah. Real car guys respect respectable cars no matter what they have under the hood. I would like someone to tell Duane in Canada that his 7m is junk.