Weight loss / Bypass Question [Not for me!]

drunk_medic

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I am not having a problem with my gradual weight loss, but I saw a few posts on another forum where someone was talking about losing a bunch of weight and it sparked my incredulous nature.

I have a question, and I am wondering if anyone has an answer as to "why" this happens.

If you think about it logically, this doesn't make sense.

I was asking a woman who used to be 300 pounds, who is now 165 pounds after gastric bypass surgery, if it was a problem of self control.

She said she can't eat certain foods, but said nothing about self control. She said her "system" stopped working, they tried different diets and exercise, and prescribed pills but nothing worked - but the surgery did work.

What I have a hard time understanding is this:

Your stomach sends a signal to your brain when it gets to a certain capacity, to let you know you are "full".
With gastric bypass, your capacity is made to be less.
You feel full sooner because of this, so you are eating less per meal, but need to eat more often during the day. You eat less calories per day, NOT by your choice, but it is because of what your stomach and brain will allow.
Before the surgery, you could pack your stomach to full with 500-1500 calories per meal, easily - it's not what you SHOULD do, but it's easily possible per capacity. Do that for 3 meals a day and wash it down with sugary soda and see what happens.
Now, with a smaller stomach, you would be lucky to be able to put 150-250 calories in your stomach per meal. You do this 4-6x a day, and you are still in the right zone of "enough required calories for the day, but the right amount for you to LOSE weight", even under that needed caloric intake for the day sometimes.
You STILL need to eat X amount of calories per day for your body to function properly. You need more than that minimum to "lose" weight, and even more than that to maintain your weight.

I'm not understanding what is different.
Is it eating the same amount of food throughout the day in small amounts that kickstarts your metabolism? Do you think she was lying, and eating garbage food on the sly? [cheating on the diet?] Using the surgery as a cheaters tool for weight loss?

It is really starting to sound like "forced self control" to me. I have a little brother who claimed he "just couldn't lose weight, no matter what!"
Weight Watchers, unopened in the cupboard
Eating out, junkfood all the time
Unused gym membership
Unused, dusty eliptical in the garage.

In his case, it WAS a case of self control. Is this the case with most people? I tend to believe that MOST cases of diabetes are caused by poor diet and being overweight, not the other way around.
 

mkiiSupraMan18

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Uhhh.... you can still not lose weight with the surgery... If the person really wants to lose the weight, it would help out a lot, but doing tests after the surgery to make sure there aren't any 'leaks' in radiology it's easy to spot the ones who are going to fail.

Just make up a new disease with a scientific sounding name and blame it on that, that's what I'll do. :sarcasm:
 

SupraMario

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Self control, will power...the mind is a powerful thing. There is no miracle surgery or pill. Plain and simple.
 

JMDigital

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I think I can answer that one for you. She was cheating on every diet she ever went on., she was eating more then she said she was , she was eating in private, in the car, when no one was looking. I know this because I had the gastric bypass done about 4-5 years ago. I was 489lbs now I am 225. Cheating is a nice way of saying eating everything you can get your hands on, and it’s not just eating dinner and having 4 more plates. Its eating all day all the time, every time I got into the car my first stop was a drive through any one that was close, order enough food for 3 people then eat it on the way to where I was going. Then do the same on the way back. It’s the type of food and how much you eat of it. Now I can’t go to McDonalds without feeling sick from the smell. It’s true that after the surgery you can’t eat foods with allot of sugar or fried. A regular coke could make me sick. Now 4 years later I can eat foods with sugar. Basically the dissert foods. Cookies , cake, ice-cream, doughnuts, etc.. I don’t because I don’t miss them and I do have control now I did not before. This is not an easy fix, you have to decide to change your life, the gastric bypass is a huge help don’t get me wrong however it does not change your brain, you have to do that. Allot of people ask me why I could not just do it without the operation. I tell them that it took one month to recover and in that month the pain kept me from eating incorrectly, I wanted to change and that month helped me get over some of the foods I wanted to eat that I should not eat. Its not for everyone, my best friend had the same operation about 2 years after me, same doctor same everything plus he had me to help him with the recovery, He did not follow the rules he did not walk when he was supposed to and he developed a blood clot in his leg that went to his heart and he died 3 weeks after the operation. I was with him when he died I was with him for the 3 weeks leading up to his death , I begged him to walk more, he even tried to eat fast food and things he was not supposed to eat. He was not ready mentally like I was. I miss him every day and I tell people that this is not for everyone it’s hard it sucks in the beginning and its painful as hell. I did everything I was told to do and I am ok now. However it was the hardest thing I have ever done.

Here I am at 428lbs
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and here I am now.. This is the only pic I had online from the hospital the other day.. The t-shirt in the first 2 pics is a 6x the one in the last pic is a large. to give you an idea..

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savannahashlee

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I am actually undergoing gastric band surgery in the next couple months. For me, its not a matter of dieting.. I have wonderful self-control when it comes to food.. Yet, you can eat as much healthy food as you want, exercise as to be a prominent part of a diet.. Thats where a lot of people make the mistake.. They eat healthy, but do nothing to burn the calories..
 

JMDigital

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Did you get all the information you could about the band surgery. It is ALOT diffrent the the bypass. The band does not limit your suggar intake. If you want to talk about it in pm or on the phone send me a message. I personally like the bypass better the the band.

Whatever you do just know that there is a mental part to it. Its not an easy fix you have to decide to change.

Good luck!!
 

gtsfirefighter

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In my line of work I've seen people who've had this procedure and lost a lot of weight and then began to gain it back. They could not eat as much as they could, but they were still eating the same crap. Their bodies adjusted, and they gained the weight back. One guy in particular weighs almost 500 lbs...four years after his gastric bypass.

Look at that chick from Wilson Phillips...Carnie I think. Now I don't know which procedure she had, but she has since gained a ton of weight back.

In mid May, I quit stuffing my face at every meal, quit regular sodas and sweet tea, joined a gym and have lost almost 30 lbs. I cheat once maybe twice a week but have retained my self control even while cheating.
I was not obese by any means but for my height, I was very overweight.
5'10" and nearly 210 lbs. Now I'm 180 lbs and still loosing.
 

JMDigital

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gtsfirefighter - You are correct, the one thing people think is that this is a "quick fix" its not. The reason people fail is because they dont change how they eat, or the figure out how to eat more then they should or how to eat what they cant.

Its been almost 5 years for me..