Upper I/C Piping?

sarichmond

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This is a two part question. What do you guys recommend as the best (in your opinion) Upper I/C Piping for the 7mgte engines. I know theres a lot out there, but for our cars what would you recommend (Injen,HKS,Cooleeze). Second part of the question is, If a person had the money would it make more sense to change your intake manifold to lets say what Ron R. makes and has on his car. I'm at that crossroad now for my 91 sup. To me that makes more sense but I wanted to talk to you guys for your experienced opinions.

Thanks
Si
 
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supraman7mgte

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i have the upper set from cooleze from suprasport. it was a direct fit,and looked real nice. if you know someone with a mandrel bender,you can pretty much have one made,if you feel like experimenting!!
 

Blue87T(Dan)

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I was happy with the Cooleeze set as well. If you have not made any changes yet, the FFI might not be a bad option. Then of course there will be a bit more frabrication and cost involved.

I went Cooleeze along with the Cartech direct fit IC.

It really depends on what your power goals are and what your budget can afford.
 

tubbie

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If your only looking for an upper intercooler pipe, just get a cold air intake from from ebay for a 88-91 civic and it lines right up from the 3000 pipe to the hole behind the head light. You just need one 180 degree pipe to make it all the way to the intercooler. Include cost of all silicone connectors and t-clamps, you'll spend less then $100.
 

sarichmond

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I really apreciate all your inputs. I'm assuming Dan that there is a major power gain with the FFI. Do you have esitamte of what you might think the difference would be (horsepower). If it just 15 extra hp's then to me its not worth it but if its 30 to 50hp's then maybe.

Thanks
Si
 

blackout_89t

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sarichmond said:
I really apreciate all your inputs. I'm assuming Dan that there is a major power gain with the FFI. Do you have esitamte of what you might think the difference would be (horsepower). If it just 15 extra hp's then to me its not worth it but if its 30 to 50hp's then maybe.

Thanks
Si

HP increase is not the reason to do it, the reason is for throttle response. And depending on the style of manifold, increased low or top end.
 

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blackout_89t said:
HP increase is not the reason to do it, the reason is for throttle response. And depending on the style of manifold, increased low or top end.


Not only that, but gives you cooler intake charge because you're intake isnt running right over the hot turbo...

QWIK, Im runnin 2.5" piping now, or maybe 2.75", anyway, if I went 3" what would I expect? Would it be worth going that big? *not tryin to hijack, thought it was pertinant question :D:D:D*
 
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itr206

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the best thing you can do for that motor is an FFIM.
Think about it. All the cool air that just went thru the IC goes right over that HOTTTT turbo before going into the TB. The IC is really just compensating for a shitty IM design if you think about it

Do the FFIM IMO.
Also bigger piping isnt better in all cases. You will likely lose some of that low end that the 7M needs due to lack of top end.
 

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I think the other guys have answered your question correctly regarding the FFI. My personal opinion is that once your power goals reach a certain point, the stock manifold has to go.

What that point is I don't know. Personally, if I ever decided I wanted over 500whp, an FFI would be on the list of parts.
 
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Blue87T(Dan) said:
I think the other guys have answered your question correctly regarding the FFI. My personal opinion is that once your power goals reach a certain point, the stock manifold has to go.

What that point is I don't know. Personally, if I ever decided I wanted over 500whp, an FFI would be on the list of parts.


Honestly. Look at the deisgn. I will bet at ANY power level the FFIM will be one of the biggest gains you will make and the smartest choice. Its inefficient at hell. Honestly it makes no sense either
 

Blue87T(Dan)

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As with most things in life cost plays a part. Going FFI is not just a matter of taking off the old and installing the new. There are many other costs associated with going FFI.

I am certainly not saying it is a bad thing for lower HP goals, but most have a finite amount they have budgeted for their Supra and the FFI and all the extra costs involved might not always fit.

Going FFI needs to be something on the list from the get go and you also need (as I mentioned earlier) an ability to be able to fabricate custom parts or pay the extra for someone else to do it.
 

Adjuster

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Insulation is cheaper, and very effective at heat control. (If your worried about the pipe running near the turbo/exhaust manifold.)

The reality is the enginebay is hot, and everything in there is hot.

True that the exhaust manifold and exuducer side of the turbo is pretty dang hot, but if your using the stock shields, that heat is controlled pretty well. (Especially if your shields are thermal coated along with everything else.)

they sell pipe wraps in both a roll, and as a "girdle" you can lace into place. (CoolTec I belive sells both types.) Wrapping your intake pipe will be as effective as wrapping your downpipe in controlling heat transfer. The wrap on the DP keeps the heat in side, while the wrap on the intake pipe keeps heat "out" of your intake charge.

The only downside to the wrap is cosmetic. They can look like ass if not done right. Best idea I've seen yet is wrapping the pipe with ceramic fabric, and then covering the whole deal with a aluminized fabric that is snapped into place with the snaps being on the underside of the pipe. Very nice final appearance, and the combination of the reflective cover, and thermal wrap keeps the temps down on the intake charge.

Figure less than 200.00 to do that, v/s about 700.00 or more for a nice FFIM. (That is still exposed to engine bay heat like the rest of the engine.)

If your really concerned about heat control, some well placed vents between the radiator and the engine to let air out of the engine bay would be a huge help.

ON the subject of FFIM, I've really thought about going with the long runner design from Ron R. I think his work is excellent, and the alternator relocation allows the use of my AC. (What good is a cold engine if the driver is too hot?) LOL
 
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itr206 said:
the best thing you can do for that motor is an FFIM.
Think about it. All the cool air that just went thru the IC goes right over that HOTTTT turbo before going into the TB. The IC is really just compensating for a shitty IM design if you think about it

Do the FFIM IMO.
Also bigger piping isnt better in all cases. You will likely lose some of that low end that the 7M needs due to lack of top end.

wheres my rolleyes smilie...

with bigger piping if anything is lost it will be throttle response...but in 95% of the cases it wont even be noticeable...

the intake manifold on the 7m is FINE...granted i agree it could be better ala 1j/2j design...its not "flawed" as you may think. the reasoning behind going FFIM would be quicker throttle response, less piping, cleaner engine bay and look, and SLIGHTLY cooler air.

as for you comment about 7m lacking power uptop? wtf are you talking about? maybe a stock turbo cant handle power up top but thats not the engines fault.... :3d_frown:
 

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I did a LOT of reseach on this and in the end decided on 2.5" pipes as they flow enough to keep the gas speed below mach .4 and provide great perceived response!

Can't see there being a lot of difference in flow numbers between 2J and 7M style intakes once under boost, off boost the 7M might be a little more even across the cylinders!
 
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sarichmond

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Daaaamn. You guys are very Knowledgeable. I knew once I posted this question I would get my answer. You guys have given me the pros and cons of both systems which is what I really needed in order to make my decision. I just want to say thanks.

Is anbody using InJEN Piping on the ride at this time? are there quality any good?

Thanks again, Si
 
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itr206

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Idealsupra said:
wheres my rolleyes smilie...

with bigger piping if anything is lost it will be throttle response...but in 95% of the cases it wont even be noticeable...

the intake manifold on the 7m is FINE...granted i agree it could be better ala 1j/2j design...its not "flawed" as you may think. the reasoning behind going FFIM would be quicker throttle response, less piping, cleaner engine bay and look, and SLIGHTLY cooler air.

as for you comment about 7m lacking power uptop? wtf are you talking about? maybe a stock turbo cant handle power up top but thats not the engines fault.... :3d_frown:

Thats fine dude.
You take your ebay coilovers, 3inch IC piping that goes over the turbo and have a blast.

Im giving my opinion on logic. I make power, not claims or excuses
 
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blackout_89t

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itr206 said:
Thats fine dude.
You take your ebay coilovers, 3inch IC piping that goes over the turbo and have a blast.

Im giving my opinion on logic. I make power, not claims or excuses

Will Neely, 700whp on the stock intake manifold.

More than half the top10 members on 7mpower are using the stock intake manifold.
 
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itr206

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Im not saying it cant be done. Im saying its inefficient
If I was going for big hp. that is the 1st thing I would ditch
 

blackout_89t

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itr206 said:
Im not saying it cant be done. Im saying its inefficient
If I was going for big hp. that is the 1st thing I would ditch

Cool as long as you know its not HORRIBLE.

I am as well changing to a FFIM right now....