To build a reliable 400hp 7m supra, I need a detailed what would you do.

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lewis87t

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I have 3 supras, several parts already ordered new in box, ready and available to me, a somewhat limited budget, and a lot of experience working on these cars. I'm just in need of others advice.

The cars I have:
-87turbo manual w/blown engine and play in the turbo, mostly clean otherwise 175k miles
-89turbo wrecked, parts only no engine/trans
-92turbo manual parts or potential resale... would need ALOT of work to drive again(more than I wish to get into), but it does run. HKS hg&arp bolts, but uknown probably 150k+mi on motor.

New parts I have:
-brand new fidanza flywheel
-brand new spec stage II clutch
-brand new brembo rotors all around
-brand new axxis extreme pads all around
-rebuilt front calipers
-divorced dp "because i can"
-mkIV TT wheels&tires
-eibach lowering springs
-tokica shocks

I also have an extra longblock w/rod knock.

What steps would you take if you were in my shoes?
Im really looking for stock look and feel, but 400hp and reliable to where I wont encounter any serious engine problems.
 

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ma71supraturbo said:
400hp at the wheels or crank?

Crank probably but it doesnt neccessarily even have to be quite 400hp. I want to keep mostly stock internals, and mostly stock look and feel, inside and out. My focus is more on dependability...with only the occasional Honda shaming. I have been through way too much on these cars and have realized you can't spend a little and expect a lot without mechanical problems down the road.
 

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The 87 I believe is almost historic here in maryland, it will be exempt from inspection&emissions. I suppose thats important to add.
 

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Chris-Supra said:
MHG/ARP's
BIC 3" downpipe
550's
Walbro
MAF/T
Boost controller

(this is the cheap/fast method, to do so reliabley and efficiently you must add some stuff)


Like I said, I want to avoid the cheap/fast method. What I am most concerned with I suppose is my engine rebuild to start with... Which engine should I use, which years of my heads/cams/blocks/cranks are best to be working with and what should I do/have done to it, to prepare it for the abuse of 400hp?
 

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a healthy stock bottom end will hold up to 500 rwhp. far as the years on the heads it really doesnt matter. the crank is different not sure what year they changed i believe in mid 89. they went to a 7m crank most people prefer this crank. To reach 400hp you will need the following.

healthy stock bottom end
metal headgasket w/arp headstuds
lexus afm
550 injectors
walbro fuel pump
fuel pressure regulator
piggyback fuel computer
electronic boost controller
K&N fipk or apexi power intake
3"downpipe with 3" exhaust
turbo your choice do the research for one that fits you
preferbly hardpipes with aftermarket bov and aftermarket intercooler (stock bov gives out around 15psi)

most prefer bic downpipes because of the intergrated 3"elbow that allows for faster spool up of the turbo.

with these mods you can reach from 400 to 500 rwhp depending on turbo you choose and how much hp you want...
also you can have the ct26 upgraded and it will hold up to 400 hp.....

aftermarket intercooler is not needed to reach 400hp but makes it easier to reach it...

this is the route im taking to reach 500rwhp if i left something out feel free to add in anyone.... hope this helps you....
 
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i too am aiming to get 400hp@wheels.I wanna get into 7mpower.Lots of 7m haters here in aust due to the fact that 1j's were avaliable as a low volume import.
 

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information taken from 7mpower.com:

Will Neely said:
Many have wondered what the limits of the MKIII supra are. After years of playing with it and tearing a few down and doing research I decided to write a summary of things I encountered. What you read is my thoughts and in no way written in stone. The 7mgte engine is a tough motor that can deliver if prepared for duty. What I will discuss is the path I took to making a reliable high horsepower MKIII.


CRITICAL ELEMENTS

Always use a reputable shop.
This is often misunderstood. My suggestion is to use a shop that specializes in the motor you have. In this case the 7mgte engine. American shops often don’t realize the tight tolerances that the Japanese engines have. So they slack on the little but big details. Look around the shop build a friend ship with the guys there and you might find yourself getting little things done for free. Trust me you’ll need little favors.


THE BUILDUP

The 400rwhp motor
The stock motor can take 400rwhp pretty easy but the age of the motor might be the problem. Don’t try to run 400rwhp on a stock motor with 200,000 miles on it. You’re just asking for trouble. However with the right mods and a fresh build up you can run the power all day long. That’s assuming you tune it to that and don’t try that seat of the pants stuff.


The 500rwhp motor
When you approach the 500rwhp mark you must and I repeat must go inside the engine. Pistons (.40) and rings are the tools to make 500rwhp reliable on this power level. Have the shop use a torque plate and get those cylinders perfectly straight while boring it. The head needs no modifications and of course the turbo will need to be upgraded. A nice balance job will be in order also if you want to feel great about it.

The 600rwhp motor
Things break here if you don’t be careful. I suggest getting forged rods and pistons. The valves and springs would also benefit from a Ferrea valve train enhancement. That means 1mm oversize valves, dual springs, titanium retainer clips and locks. At this point you need to balance it without a doubt. 2mm head gasket is a good idea also as it will lower your compression a bit. Also bearings don’t like this level. Get the Clevite 77 and do yourself a favor. Like all the rest you will need a supporting cast of parts more on that later.

The 700rwhp motor
With this step everything you have on the following stages plus the right turbo. Here is what I suggest at this level. Beef up the transmission or at least freshen it up. Go with a RPS stage 3 or any carbon carbon clutch. At this level you will need a lot of supporting power makers. Also note there is no mention of cams. Stock is fine! I searched all over and the stockers did the job. Spend your money elsewhere


SUPPORTING CAST

The lightweights
There are a few things that don’t make power but they definitely help when you intend to run serious numbers. Lightweight pulleys except crank pulley, electric fans, lightweight drive shaft, and lightweight flywheel. By doing these little things you free up a lot of power that is loss. The port and polish job.

The fuel system
My rule of thumb is always have more fuel then you need. This always good except when you are breaking the newly built motor up. A great fuel system will always have a adjustable fuel pressure regulator and strong pumps. My favorites like most are the walbros. Two if you decide to make 550rwhp plus. I have always used the 255lph pumps. They flow for days and are proven. With the lines you have a choice of 6an dual feeds or a single 8an feed line. Either will work fine. Don’t skip on this mod you’ll pay if you do. As for fuel injectors 550 are good to 500rwhp or so. After that shoot for the 720cc style injectors or larger.

The Electronics
You can go two routes here. The Lexus afm route or the VPC route. I choose the Vpc route because I like a crispy idle and the vpc frees up the intake with a adjustment spots.
The Lexus afm route can make power but prepared you learn how to tune. Eric Varah actually made 622rwhp all through a Lexus Afm and tuning. So power can be made this way but you will need to tune a little more with the Safc and fuel cut issues. On the other hand the vpc doesn’t have the fuel cut issue. For adjustments I chose the Safc for that, as the HKS GCC doesn’t have the tune ability that the Safc does.

The Intercooler
All I can say is get a Greddy three row for a MKIV or get a custom one made from spearco. At the 500rwhp mark I think the cooling effect of the Spearco kit for our cars is reaching it limits. Better to efficient then not efficient enough.

Turbo kits
My favorite part is the kit. I own the SP kit and the HKS cast kit. They both flow great but the SP kits blow everyone else away. Looks good flows good delivers. Little expensive if you’re not up to it but well worth the cash if you get it. Don’t skip on this mod. Depending on the power you want the MKIII responds great to smaller turbo’s but it really wakes up when you reach for the t61. Not the 60-1 but the T-61. People for some reason confuse the two. This turbo will flow 550 plus rwhp in a MKIII all day long.

Now for the guy really wanting to reach out and deliver a blow the t-66, sp67, bl67 and larger will work fine. Only thing is you start losing the great spool for the street and become a lag monster. I personally would not go past a t-72 for the street and that’s to big. For the Dyno queen the sky is the limits so go for the sp74 and all those track turbo’s. Avoid the t70 series and t64 series turbo’s they have surge problems. Although I hear now they have been cured with anti surge housing. Bottom line my feeling are that the t61 and t66, sp67, bl67 etc are the best bang for the street. They deliver 600rwhp and are again proven.

The Bottom Line
SPEED cost money! How fast do you want to go? Leaving things out almost always results in failure. Trust me I’ve seen it millions of time. Guys uses an old oil pump then develops rod knock. Guy runs 20 psi on a motor with 200,000 miles then ask what happened. Common sense plays a lot. This is one expensive game and there WILL be failures. Ask any big name out there things break. How you handle it is up to you but don’t expect the car to deliver if you don’t use good judgment. With that said build the car up the right way the first time if you don’t have the cash just save. Hard to do but worth it in the end.

-shaeff
 

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lewis87t said:
Like I said, I want to avoid the cheap/fast method. What I am most concerned with I suppose is my engine rebuild to start with... Which engine should I use, which years of my heads/cams/blocks/cranks are best to be working with and what should I do/have done to it, to prepare it for the abuse of 400hp?
What engine to use? Besides the 7MGTE? Bone stock with a new OEM headgasket torqued to 75 or so lb/ft with PROPER MAINTENANCE will have no problem maintaining 400 flywheel horsepower.
 

miggles

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detune for reliability or fuel economy?
can you get a "reliable" 7m *shock horror gasp*?? rofl
another way is to get 2X7mgt's and that way you have 400hp easy.
 

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my goal is 400 on stock boost pressure hehe

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fallow the guide on 7mpower.com thats all you really need to do.
 

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SidewayzSupra said:
Run it pig rich by retarding the timimg and throw "TWO" bottles of NOS on it....yeah baby yeah:withstupi

and then get rodknock because you're running so rich that gasoline is seeping past the piston rings, and thinning out your oil (read: super low viscosity), hence decreasing it's lubricative properties, thus causing excessive bearing wear. :(

-shaeff

p.s. yes, lubricative is a word: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lubricative
 
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