The incurable code 52 knock sensor issue

Silvermk2

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I was wondering if someone had any good suggestions on clearing code 52 I'm really stuck between a rock and a hard place with this code (i.e. no passing smog =s I cant use the car) and I'm pretty much stumped now. The code pops up around the ~3k RPM range.

Note this is for a 90 7MGTE in a Mk2. The motor is brand new and runs perfect this is the only code shown. With the exception of the Ross pistons the hard parts are basically stock.

Just for history the car this came out of had code 52 when I pulled it. Since the front of the water pump was busted off I really couldn't run it enough to diagnose it. Anyways upon disassembly I discovered the front knock sensor was busted off and the plug was hanging loose. So I figured this for the code so I grabbed a junkyard sensor and used that. While I was in the area I also bought new connectors and spliced them onto the orginal harness.

Once in the Mk2 I still have code 52. I was 99% sure the wiring was OK so I get another knock sensor and try shuffling them around. I still have a code so I did the full rewire using microphone coax with an engine bay drain wire going to an engine ground. Still has the code so I rewire it again using correct awg Alpha coax cable with the drain wire grounded under the dash. Still no luck so I buy 2 new Toyota knock sensors. The code is still there so I try a rewire with a foil shield cable. That didn't help so I splurged the money on a new engine harness. Swap that in an I still have the code so I used a known good ECU and the code still pops up. I've even tried swapping the MSD wires out for the old stocker to ease any EMI worries with no luck So this leaves me very frustrated with a new 7M thats basically useless.

The cliffnotes

Incurable code 52/knock sensor
-new engine
-2 new knock sensors (& I've tried about 6 used ones)
-new engine harness (also tried with 3 different rewires)
-the sensors have good grounds (about .1 ohm)
-tried another ECU
-code keeps popping up around 3k RPM

I haven't seen much in search that I haven't done yet. For those that like pictures here is the bastard 7M :madfawk:

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mattonedime

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Humm.. new sensors, new harness.. Have you tried a different ECU?

oops.. see you did, didnt catch that.

Have you checked for rod knock? :naughty: Just kidding..
 

Squid699

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why kidding? if he cant get rid of it, then that seems like its the only possibility. did you spec out the rod bearings right? did you turn the crank and not get oversized bearings? you can easily get rod knock on a 'new' engine if you didnt make sure it was within spec before dropping it in the car. how's your oil level?
 

lagged

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Squid699 said:
why kidding? if he cant get rid of it, then that seems like its the only possibility. did you spec out the rod bearings right? did you turn the crank and not get oversized bearings? you can easily get rod knock on a 'new' engine if you didnt make sure it was within spec before dropping it in the car. how's your oil level?

no, it should be just a joke because the knock sensors only retard timing if they detect knock, not throw a code.

id say they are still wired incorrectly.
 

Silvermk2

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From all I can tell code 52 is electrical only. All the rod bearing (which are Toyota) clearances are within .0001-.0002 of nomimal. I've got a slight piston slap when cold that goes away (machine shop honed it to the high side). Oil level has only been full. This motor only has maybe 4 to 5 miles on it. Compression is 165 psi down the line. I'm thinking about maybe getting another knock sensor, maybe one of them bounced around in shipping.
 

rtboy02

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You've covered all the bases. The only other things that could be causing your problem are EMI (electro-magnetic interference) or legitimate noise that is causing the knock sensor to go nuts.

I assume you have checked for knock (with a stethoscope)? The knock sensor can pick up other noises, too, so listen for anything out of the ordinary. Check the plugs for any signs of problems.
 

lagged

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check continuity from the knock sensor plug to the ECU.

make sure all connections are clean.

is it a NEW harness? or is it a "NEW" harness.

when repairing the knock sensor wiring it is very easy to forget that those wires are shielded and if you splice in the sheilding the connection will short out and youll get an error code. its ESPECIALLY easy to make this mistake if you are repairing them with the motor in the car blindly.
 

Silvermk2

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New as in fresh out of the Toyota box. Same with the knock sensors. Continuity has never been a problem as far as I can tell. Out of curiousity where does the Toyota harness ground the shield? On the wiring diagram it looks like it ties into the AFM and check connector wiring.
 

lagged

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Silvermk2 said:
New as in fresh out of the Toyota box. Same with the knock sensors. Continuity has never been a problem as far as I can tell. Out of curiousity where does the Toyota harness ground the shield? On the wiring diagram it looks like it ties into the AFM and check connector wiring.

yeah, theres no seperate ground for the sheilding alone.

hmmmm. well lets think. do the knock sensors themselves get grounded from the engine block? ive never had to remove one as of yet so i havent gotten a look at how they are grounded however i know its a singler wire to the sensor it self.

maybe wherever the KS is supposed to ground is painted.
 

bgrieger

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I can only suggest removing them one at a time from the block and see if there is a particular one that is giving you more problems than the other. Wrapping the loose one in a foam may help isolate it from noise as well. Should there be a problem with a sensor, that is the only thing I could think would show you which one given the number of things changed.

Once you isolate the culprit, try listening to the motor with a stethoscope to see if there is some excess noise setting it off...
 

shaeff

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mattonedime said:
Have you checked for rod knock?


lagged said:
knock sensors DO NOT throw a code when they detect knock. they pull timing. that is all.

lagged is 100% correct. code 52 means that the ECU doesnt "see" the knock sensor(s), which means that there's one of the following problems:

-short in wiring
-bad knock sensor
-bad connection somewhere in the wiring
-(never heard of this, but i *suppose* it could happen) bad ECU



-shaeff
 

lagged

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Once you isolate the culprit, try listening to the motor with a stethoscope to see if there is some excess noise setting it off...

NO! that SHOULD NOT throw an error code..........

arggg i quit.
 

lagged

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shaeff said:
lagged is 100% correct. code 52 means that the ECU doesnt "see" the knock sensor(s), which means that there's one of the following problems:

-short in wiring
-bad knock sensor
-bad connection somewhere in the wiring
-(never heard of this, but i *suppose* it could happen) bad ECU



-shaeff



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